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Tel Identity The Telidentity.com service will be launching soon and is still open for .tel identity testing. In the meantime, the email forwarding server will be used for identities@canadian.me August 1, so if you are a Canadian or know one (besides me) please register through the www.Canadian.me contest banner and pick your identity, eg first name etc. Mark |
Mark, on the face of it your new service would appear to provide a superior income stream relative to the more traditional methods. |
Telidentity Idea @Cees I base a lot on those that have come before, eg emailme.com and identity.chicago.com among others. These are mostly .com properties and charge anywhere from $50 to $5,000 per year (for top geos). This is new to .Tel I believe, and it takes a community to help sell it. That is why I've taken the approach of being able to cross-sell identities among the owners that join Telidentity. Anyone can sell an email address in the pool of domains and get paid for the sale - whether or not they own the domain. The power of numbers. There are so many generics available with .Tel, this is a huge advantage over anyone trying to do it with dot com domains - too expensive to start up because of the cost of acquiring .com generic domains. The only ones that are succeeding only have a few domains to offer. So with .tel and a small community of owners of generics, this is ready for prime time in less than a month. Soon most of my domains will be available for identity sharing. I have a number of things to do before I can release to all, but those that join now can try early. The email server is ready to go and all Telidentity needs is some owners to join in. The FAQis now pretty much up-to-date, even though the site is not yet ready. Mark |
Hi Mark, Thanks for the extra details. I may have missed this point but…. with the cross-selling does the owner share in any of the proceeds, I'm going to review all my name for possible entry, however is it a absolute requisite that the names be populated, a lot of mine aren't. This may actually spur a lot of registrations. Cees |
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I have (a lot of) domains that am holding off transferring to telnames. Will .tel email identity service work for telnames hosted .tels mark? The control panel of telnames does have the mx facility, but you said once before that telmasters was not approved for telnames?[/size] |
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Cross-selling will share the proceeds between the owner and the seller. The owner sets the commission to pay back to the seller. The seller must have an account with Telmasters (Telidentity). Telidentity will keep track of who owes what to whom and it will be up to the owner to send a paypal payment to the seller. Both will have a log of sales. Hopefully not a buck or two at a time. Domains should be populated at least with information on how to request an identity. The link should be to Telidentity.com which will then detect referer as a .tel domain and bring up a form to request an identity (this is on my todo list). Mark[/size] |
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Not correct. Identity works with Telnames. Telnames has MX email record control in Settings at top right of dashboard. I use it at www.identities.tel but the only differences are a) no subdomain identities of course, and b) since there is no SOAP API for Telnames, the MX record must be set manually first (see my FAQ). Mark[/size] |
Those of us with telnames .tels Here's what to do... "Set the email server host name to "forwarder.telmasters.com." with a priority of 20. You must include the ending period "." Thank you mark. Great community support (10mins for a response) |
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And then at Telidentity.com, login, goto to Identities -> Add New Identity. Once an identity is created, then the forwarder will work for the identity@yourdomainname.telforwarding to a customer or "ugly" email address. Mark[/size] |
Looking forward to getting involved. |
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Hi Mark While this may be obvious to others: Customer uses Their new (Telidentity Address) which forwards to their "ugly" email address but what happens when the Customer sends a reply. Does the recipient get a reply from the nice new shiny Telidentity address or does the recipient get a reply from the "ugly" email address?[/size] |
Mark another question. Would you be able to clarify how the split of proceeds work please. Ie if I list my domain on telidentity. some one else sells a telidentity and your service provides it. What would I get? What would the seller get? What would you the service provider get? I think it is a good idea, but would suggest .tel owners reserve specific addresses for there own use, ie sales,info,contact to avoid misunderstandings and potential for fraud. Many Thanks Simon |
Replies are not a problem. I use both Outlook and GMail. On Outlook you can control the default reply address to be the @identity address. On Gmail, you can set your default email address using the dropdown gears menu on right side -> Settings -> Accounts and Import -> Send Mail As. You verify the email address then set it as the default. Mark |
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Some great questions so far. I'm interested in the credit system, and how that will work for those with portfolios that will likely be submitting many domains. I am sure you are really busy on this idea mark and tweaking as we go is to be expected. Cheers[/size] |
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Still working things out but trying to keep things simple. The system is based on prepaid credits. I haven't set pricing yet but basically you buy a certain number of credits (they don't expire) via Paypal to Telmasters. You then can sell identities on your domain. Credits are used for transactions and can be bought in bulk for discount. As a service provider, we will receive $X per credit. As an owner, you get to charge whatever you like above our price to make your profit. We get paid up front and provide the tools and email server. Domain owners set their pricing via a matrix that allows for a variety of fees based on generic, geo, name, length, scarcity, etc. The rarer the identity, the more you can charge. Owners also reserve names not to be sold, eg support, info, mayor, etc. Domain owners also set their commission split for referrals. 50-50, 80-20 60-40 etc. When an end user buys an identity directly on the site (might be pocketidentity.com) the transaction goes 100% to the owner via their paypal and Telmasters/Telidentity is not involved. 100% because there is no referrer. The owner account is debited anywhere between 1-5 credits depending on type of identity (based on the matrix). Again, this is because you can charge more for certain identities and that relates to the number of credits used. When a referral comes through a .Tel site via a link, the referring domain (owner) is included in the transaction. That domain must be part of the Telidentity pool of active and inactive domains in order to receive commission. The transaction proceeds as indicated above, except the seller's account is credited the commission amount. Both owners and sellers (referrers) can view their accounts to see who owes how much to whom. As planned currently (might change), it will be up to the owner to use paypal or other means to send money to the seller and clear their pending commissions. As the system becomes popular, I would like ot introduce an automatic payment system. An email will be sent to the owner if the number of credits remaining in your account dips below 10 and you can recharge your account for future access. Before the anniversary of the annual identity lease expiration, the lessee will be sent an email on behalf of the owner to offer renewal for another year. Renewals will be just like any other transaction, payment goes to the owner, credits are deducted. There will be provision for multi-year leases for discounts. Mark[/size] |
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I will provide some bulk functions. Currently you can sign up at Telidentity.com and all your domains will appear in the "pool". It will be a busy few weeks getting the functions in place, eg allowing bulk MX records to be created at domain and subdomain levels, etc. Looking to feedback as it progress. Mark[/size] |
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A huge question answered. Essential functionality (without it... was a dead end) This will need to be explained oh so simply though to newbies. I feel it needs a smooth automated helper through'er, er (1.2.3 etc)[/size] |
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Thanks for clearing that up Mark The only problem I can see is if someone sold say just 'one' email address for let's say $25 if afterwards somebody made a big offer, the owner would not be able to sell it, or they could find themselves in breach of contract. On another level: What is to stop some unscrupulous person from buying a Telidentity email address for lets say $25 (Which effectively then prevents Tld from being sold) then gets a friend to make big offer for that same Telidentity Tld. The Telidentity email address owner (The one who paid $25) Then demands a moderate sum to be released from the contract. The Tld owner decides to pay (because of the big offer on the table) after which the guy who made the big offer then changes their mind and pulls out, while his friend walks away with the money he got from being bought of of his contract. Even worse if someone gives a few (or even one) of those Telidentity email addresses away, which likewise locks the Tld up for a least a year. Even Even Even Worse does the Person who purchased the Telidentity address for say $25 have the option to keep renewing indefinitely? Not wishing to sound cynical but I think it pays to also look at any possible downside.[/size] |
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Hi Mark How much are these Credits going to cost? Will it always be a requirement to hold a minimum number?[/size] |
I don't have a price yet. All forum members will get a number of credits free to try the service. Then as you start selling identities, we can gauge optimum pricing. This month I will test selling business identities starting at $10 per year. So a credit could be in the range of $1-$2 with discount on bulk. Holding a minimum is a good idea because you never know when someone will want to buy an identity on one of your sites. BTW, the credits are for all sites you own, not per site. Mark |
