top & bottom image ads - a request to increase

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top & bottom image ads - a request to increase

by Telnic 2015-01-02, 5:05 am

TELcp

10-03-2012 07:28 AM

top & bottom image ads - a request to increase

Dear Telnic,

Would you mind increasing the number of .tia image ads (on top & bottom) allowed per page?

At present it is set by default as follows.
Desktop top 468 x 60 - 1
Desktop bottom 468x60 - 2
Smartphone top 300x50 - 1
Smartphone bottom 300x50 - 2

Our humble request is to increase the number up to 20 .tia ads per page (10 on top & 10 on bottom for both desktop & mobile proxies), still maintaining the current maximum number of records per page (100).

We are not asking something new*** or additional to what is available now.
Only a request to re-arrange current allocation limits per different types of records per page.
A banner ad with a callto: link will be more attractive (communicates better) to the visitor than an icon.

*** - because we are aware that Telnic has other priorities too.

Thank you.

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dottel.net

10-03-2012 10:10 AM

fyi - not sure if you're aware but you can store more records which then get randomly displayed. Not the same effect I know....

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

10-03-2012 12:19 PM

Actually, I see the need for this, and can use it. 20 sounds like too much to most but it actually makes sense, because it is the only way to add visual elements to a .tel. But the caveat is to create sensible, appealing images that conform to the existing templates. If you use common sense in the content for these images, you can actually improve the pro .tel immensely esp on mobile. Don't use to dump affiliate images all over the place. Instead create images that don't burden the viewer, eg text images and mixture of text and icon. Ones that fit the Telnic style.

So where you now have just a stock telnic icon with anchor text and link, or phone number, you can replace with ...

http://telvisitors.com/images/telnicidea.jpg

Telnic, this would be a fabulous implementation.

Also still need in-page linking for image ads that point to the same .tel domain - dont open a new window.

Mark

Blunderer

10-03-2012 12:48 PM

@TELcp,

For clarification, would your proposal:

A) reduce the number of records available to 80 - even when the image ads were not used?

B) maintain 100 records - of which up to 20 could facilitate image ads?

C) result in 100 records plus 20 image ads?

Also, if the use of up to 20 image ads were possible, and were to be made available, would it not make sense to enable them to be positioned (dragged) as appropriate within the record display?

dottel.net

10-03-2012 01:05 PM

just remember though that using the ad records for images means they won't appear when a user with an adblocker enabled visits your site

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

10-03-2012 01:09 PM

@dottel, what would telnic need to do to circumvent adlbocker?
@blunderer, good question. ads are maintained in a separate structure but I think the total is 100 between ads and records. Telnic knows for sure.
Mark

dottel.net

10-03-2012 01:16 PM

they'd need a way to clearly delineate an ad from a normal image. Right now everything is geared up towards identifying it as an ad (the whole .tia record definition). Logos however are using naptr records and I'm not aware of any adblocker preventing a logo from showing....

boracay.tel

10-03-2012 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 25727)

Also still need in-page linking for image ads that point to the same .tel domain - dont open a new window.

Mark

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This is most important issue.
surely we see this minimal change implemented before asking anything more![/size]

supercyberheroes

10-03-2012 03:08 PM

We also need logo payment like paypal, or debit or credit card like this one foe examplehttp://https://www.paypalobjects.com...cribeCC_LG.gif

http://ideal.tel

Regards

supercyberheroes

10-03-2012 03:12 PM

Like this one need one: http://https://www.paypalobjects.com...cribeCC_LG.gif

Regards
http://ideal.tel

TELcp

10-03-2012 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dottel.net (Post 25722)
fyi - not sure if you're aware but you can store more records which then get randomly displayed. Not the same effect I know....

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NOT random display as it is available now.
(I am aware it is available now).

Need permanent display of banner ads as requested.

Thanks for the comment.

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TELcp

10-03-2012 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blunderer (Post 25728)
@TELcp,

For clarification, would your proposal:

A) reduce the number of records available to 80 - even when the image ads were not used?

B) maintain 100 records - of which up to 20 could facilitate image ads?

C) result in 100 records plus 20 image ads?

Also, if the use of up to 20 image ads were possible, and were to be made available, would it not make sense to enable them to be positioned (dragged) as appropriate within the record display?

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Well, the proposal is as follows, in order not to put any additional burden on Telnic's servers.

A) - no
B) - yes (with an option for the .tel owner to select whatever the type of records he/she prefers).
C) - as mentioned clearly, we do not wish to ask anything new or additional. All we need is some kind of re-arrangement within what we already
have at present.

I am not quite sure what do you mean by dragging. However,
1) If you mean rotation of ads - this is not possible unless you update records regularly by which you can change the order of display.
2) If you mean dragging up/down while inserting/updating - then it is possible through an external site ( TELcp provides this for reordering
records on tel page - free of charge).

Cheers!

p.s. Sorry for the delay in replying. Was away on a Rotary Club's community project.[/size]

TELcp

10-03-2012 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dottel.net (Post 25729)
just remember though that using the ad records for images means they won't appear when a user with an adblocker enabled visits your site

[size]
Yes, some do use adblockers.
Can't help it.
You can still use other records (phone, web links,email etc.

Also there are ways to get through the adblockers.
But don,t forget that 468x60 banner is still the most popular ad on the web.

Cheers ![/size]

TELcp

10-03-2012 04:42 PM

By the way, our intention is not to make the tel another glossy web page with flashy colours.
With a callto: link, we can still maintain the Telnic's original concept of making .tel for communication.

Trying to attract more visitors and also to earn an extra revenue (as long as there is no objection from any parties concerned that tel owners making some extra money out of their parked tel domains) by displaying such banner ads.

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Blunderer

10-03-2012 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TELcp (Post 25737)
2) If you mean dragging up/down while inserting/updating - then it is possible through an external site ( TELcp provides this for reordering
records on tel page - free of charge).

Cheers!

p.s. Sorry for the delay in replying. Was away on a Rotary Club's community project.

[size]

Ah! Because I don't generally use ads I was visualizing the current provision for Adsense - increasing it to 20, and thinking - who would want 10 of those at the top and bottom of their directory, or business listing. And because I haven't used Your/Mark's tools (yet;)) I didn't know whether it was possible to drag them up/down the display - as you can with sub folders, which would provide more appealing opportunities. Titivating parked domains never occurred to me.

Thanks for clarifying A, B and C, and I hope your project achieves it's objective.

Kind regards,[/size]

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

10-03-2012 11:12 PM

Technical Specs for Image Extension

duplicate comment deleted.

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

10-03-2012 11:18 PM

Technical Specs for Image Extension

Let's start a serious technical discussion here at Telnic.org forum regarding this image extension idea. Alex please leave it here for now. People from TelTalk are welcome to comment but I'd like technical input. Sorry, emotions and speculation do not help the common cause.

This concept has a good chance for implementation if we can get our heads around the technical pros and cons of opening up more images on .tel domains. A detailed plan is needed for Telnic team to discuss our requirements.

There are a few of reasons why there is a limitation on the number of images on pro .Tel pages:

1) Advertisement clutter
2) Google side-effects
3) Space optimization
4) Performance.

I know this as a fact because was part of the original discussions with Telnic.

What I hope we all want is that this extension does not turn into an "ad fest" whereby .tel becomes known for spam and ads. That would occur if there were no restrictions on content. Introducing more images provides some with the opportunity to abuse .tel for advertisements or affiliate spam. This has to be avoided.

I don't know if Google would ban all .Tels from search if several bad apples caused a stir. But this was discussed two years ago. From my own experience, I have received two warnings from Google over 2 years for having the words like "Adult Business" or "Escort Services" in my directories. So they do check for some things they don't like when serving their Adsense ads.

I think content will be the big issue with Telnic. So if we can come up with a plan for controlling content, then I think we stand a good chance of seeing implementation.

Mark

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

10-03-2012 11:19 PM

Advertisement Clutter and Google Effects

These two can be combined because the goals are the same: content control.

First of all I'm not sure that content needs to be controlled, I am putting the idea out there for commentary.

There a number of ways to control image content:

1) No control
2) templates for IAB images so that they follow the standard icon-naptr combination and format, as shown in the sample image.
3) TELNIC Acceptable Use Policy

Linking: this is a difficult area. Here are some approaches

1) No restrictions
2) Only link to .TEL or call: or mailto:
3) SOAP level control of URL, eg blacklist
4) Allow a limited number of external links
5) Telnic AUP.

So far there has been no evidence that Google has found .Tel to be negative. On the contrary, .Tel especially with subdomains is very good for search.

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

10-03-2012 11:29 PM

Space Optimization

There was a concern that too many images would take up too much space. I don't see this. If the images fit within the format and size, they look very nice. I think the real issue was look and feel. Too many images, too much clutter. But this can be solved by proper formatting of one's images to conform to the overall format of the page.

Performance

This is a real issue, but I think it is only a perceived issue. All images are served by the browser, not the Telnic server. Delays in serving images are not the fault of Telhosting. However, large images that take long to download cause load times to increase. This could affect one's Google ranking.

Technically, the SOAP interface could detect image size and issue a failure exception.

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

10-03-2012 11:35 PM

Benefits

1) visually appealing tel pages
2) modern look and feel
3) customization of your images to fit your need

Having additional images allows us to have some limited customization. You can design your image in any manner to fits your purpose. It can be an advert, or a call to action. Visual appeal is fundamental to web design. We'd just be added more appealing features.

By combining top and bottom images with naptr records and text, you could actually extend the existing functionality of .tel and in a very appealing manner when used properly.

Having to create your own images is not for everyone, but worth the investment in time to get a better looking page.

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Re: top & bottom image ads - a request to increase

by Telnic 2015-01-02, 5:05 am

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

10-03-2012 11:40 PM

Technical Specifications

As mentioned by @TelCP there are limits now.

What the new limits should be needs to be discussed. The reasons why 6 wouldn't suffice versus 20 or full tilt, 100. You can look at what your future requirements might be and indicate your ideal limit.

To support more records requires changes to the SOAP interface and the rendering code. We cannot speak to these as we do not have access to source code. It is up to Telnic dev team to address the possibility of these changes, the impact, the timeline.

From a coding point of view with Telmasters/Telvision tools, I don't see any changes needed to support additional images.

dottel.net

10-04-2012 12:25 AM

my two cents - don't think we can police the 'content' side of things and shouldn't try to.

what I'd like to hear from Telnic, is why they actually opted for 6. So we can have an informed discussion... i.e.
1. Random choice?
2. Feel this is adequate based on the advertising needs?
3. Performance issues?
etc..

Personally my preference would be to leave the ad records as is with current limitations but open up the use of naptr records for images so users are able to add as many as they feel.

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

10-04-2012 02:51 AM

@dottel, three good questions that only Telnic can answer so we can continue with some planning.

I can only answer one, and that is that for advertising, one image with one call to action message is sufficient. However, times have changed and images are not used soley for advertising, but for added content. There are plenty of domains now taking advantage of images for visual appeal, calls to action, company promotion etc. Images are no longer about ads.

Yes, policing content is not a good idea, unless things get out of hand. The AUP approach would require Telnic to have a mechanism to report and enforce. Freedom is best, but it could be that some controls like blacklists, might be built in, dormant, just in case. However, with the 5 image records we have now, I don't think this has been a problem. So if the number of images is doubled, would we see abuse? Unknown.

Regarding the choice between image ad records versus Icon+Naptr records, I agree that iconized records would be the ideal solution. However, back in the early days, I asked for this feature, provided examples and benefits, but I can't recall why this customization solution was rejected. I suppose it was the CTH changes that would be required.

What we have today are some realities that we need to stick with.

One reality is that Telnic is focused on TelNames for the time being. Development team resources I have to assume cannot handle major new development on two fronts. To ask for a major change to support icon images with Naptr records, requires a lot of time planning, coding, testing both in CTH and proxy. At this time, I think that this is just not possible for the development team to handle.

The other reality is that we have a set of templates that are in production, fully developed, have lots of code behind them and work flawlessly. This existing framework is what we have to fit changes into, with the least amount of code changes in the shortest time.

If these assumptions are correct, then the only way to accomplish some rapid customization in the short term, is for Telnic to consider an increase in image banners. These banners already fit into the existing frame, meaning minimal code changes to only the Soap interface and proxy code.

Third party and private software can easily support these additional images. I know mine can and am sure the others can too. In future, image support needs to be part of the CTH, but in the short term, I feel this solution will work.

Additionally, well designed images will benefit us with visually-appealing pages. This in turn can "quiet the masses" that vocally demand changes for background images (different development topic). Bigger bang for the least buck (or pound) with the least amount of dev time.

Mark

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

10-04-2012 03:03 AM

@dottel, when you refer to opening up naptr records for images, are you referring to a new record type?
Mark

boracay.tel

10-04-2012 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 25756)
@dottel, when you refer to opening up naptr records for images, are you referring to a new record type?
Mark

[size]
i see the coupons being rendered on telnames and novaltel templates
(with picture/text combo)

perhaps we will still get these[/size]

TELcp

10-04-2012 08:44 AM

In brief...

Re: Content

Images can be controlled/policed only if you own one or two domains (irrespective of the number of images per page)
Not possible to have any automated mechanism to control/police if you own multiple domains (irrespective of the number of domains per page.

Re: Conflict with Adsense

Let .tel owners decides what they choose.

Re: Customized Icons

This was discussed long time ago, and Telnic made a statement why tel should not have customized icons. Obvious loading delays from the CTH.

Re; Linking to

Yes. There should be strict control over this to avoid making .tel pages a banner park.
Ideal solution is to have only callto: & emailto:

Linking to another .tel should also be avoided as the landing tel page can be again full of links to external sites.

Re; Attraction to visitors

We need to make the .tel more attractive to the visitor/end user.
(creating the end users need/demand is paramount in promoting the .tel to masses).

Supposing you display a .tal image relating to a restaurant menu, the restaurant owner may display the actual mouth watering dishes. This might tempt the visitor to call the restaurant directly to reserve a table.

If the tel domain is owned by the restaurant owner, he/she is happy that .tel brings in new/more customers. If it was an affiliated lin callto: link, then the .tel domain owner gets either ppc/ppp revenue.

You can not expect the same reaction from a visitor from the current callto: records which only displays an icon of the phone plus few lines.

So, why not implementing such a good proposal for the benefit of all stakeholder?

Re; No additional burden to Telnic

Our request was carefully planned not to have any additional workload or burden to Telnic in designing or hosting.

With the present system .tel owners can submit up to 100 (max record limit) .tia records per position on a single tel page, but only 1 on top & 2 at bottom displayed selected at random.

Therefore, based on this coding at CTH, it is only a matter of changing the numbers (max limit) for .tia per page.

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Blunderer

10-04-2012 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TELcp (Post 25759)
In brief...
Linking to another .tel should also be avoided as the landing tel page can be again full of links to external sites.
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This makes no sense. You are requesting the facility of more (than the existing) image links to external sites/entities, albeit by telephone or email link, and seem to be citing propriety as the reason for restricting the facility to these types. There are those amongst us who will be delighted by the provision of new image/telephone links but, what about .tel and Telnames?

Telnic, through Telnames, have provided owners with the ability to publish discount coupons on their own mobile optimised site. Surely it makes sense to facilitate the wider publication of available discounts, by enabling links to .tel and Telname sites? This could also stimulate sales

Also, there is a need for the provision, through the CTH, of at least one image link to a .tel/Telname or other site - preferably variable by sub folder (I have suggested the logo in the past). This to facilitate sponsorship, and would be of great value to the likes of myself, but also to Charities, community support providers, etc., as well as amateur sports clubs, who frequently have different local sponsors for teams, and are always cash strapped.

I realise this last item would require additional effort but it is in line with the thrust of your request for expanded options for third party tool providers.

The above stands separately to my notion of a requirement for harmonising the visual appeal of the two .tel based products.[/size]

dottel.net

10-04-2012 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 25756)
@dottel, when you refer to opening up naptr records for images, are you referring to a new record type?

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Suggestion was to do the same as they have done for the page logo[/size]

TELcp

10-04-2012 12:15 PM

@Blunderer

Understand your concerns.
This Forum/thread discussion is only on behalf of .tel owners who use the standard CTH based .tel domains.
We are only making proposals to improve it.

If these requests are to be implemented, at the end someone (or some people) will decide what is best based our comments. And hope decisions will be unbiased.
Therefore, your independent ideas are always welcome.

However, discussion is strictly for Telnic's CTH.

Cheers!

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

10-04-2012 12:46 PM

@dottel, an image Naptr record internally structured like the logo record except 468 or 300 wide and ordered within the contact section by position ? This makes more sense, but requires more CTH and Proxy changes.
Mark

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

10-04-2012 01:01 PM

@boracay, vouchers are mini templates that are controlled by a new record type. Since only the image and text and be changed, the format stays consistent among all sites. This consistency is important for the overall .Tel look and feel. A few tweaks to allow color and font styles would be beneficial.

We do need some form of vouchers within pro .Tel and these can be created with image ads now although narrow. If I understood @dottel correctly, then extending image Naptr records would also allow vouchers to be created using images and placed in a specific location among contact records. Such an image record needs to be taller than the 60 desktop and 50 mobile limit.

Mark

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

10-04-2012 01:11 PM

Technical Specs

The current proxy constrains the image to fit within desktop and mobile IAB standards. If the constraint was lifted, then two benefits would arise:

1) would no longer look like an ad to adblockers
2) would allow for more customization for images such as vouchers and daily deals.

However, this means that Telnic would lose control of the look and feel of sites if huge images were inadvertently inserted.

So the solution could be similar to that introduced with template #8, whereby a larger image is constrained by height, aspect ratio maintained.

How could we propose an image type that allows bigger images to be supported by the existing .TIA image ad format?

Remember, the immediate goal here is to fit within the existing proxy infrastructure with minimal changes. Ideal changes later.

Mark

Blunderer

10-04-2012 01:12 PM

@TELcp,

Try this version - Ignore the Red text and Note the Purple:

"This makes no sense. You are requesting the facility of more (than the existing) image links to external sites/entities, albeit by telephone or email link, and seem to be citing propriety as the reason for restricting the facility to these types. There are those amongst us who will be delighted by the provision of new image/telephone links but, what about .tel and Telnames?

Telnic, through Telnames, have provided owners with the ability to publish discount coupons on their own mobile optimised site. Surely it makes sense to facilitate the wider publication of available discounts, by enabling links to .tel and Telname sites? This could also stimulate sales.

Also, there is a need for the provision, through the CTH, of at least one image link to a .tel/Telname or other site - preferably variable by sub folder (I have suggested the logo in the past). This to facilitate sponsorship, and would be of great value to the likes of myself, but also to Charities, community support providers, etc., as well as amateur sports clubs, who frequently have different local sponsors for teams, and are always cash strapped.

I realise this last item would require additional effort but it is in line with the thrust of your request for expanded options for third party tool providers.

The above stands separately to my notion of a requirement for harmonising the visual appeal of the two .tel based products. "

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

10-04-2012 01:17 PM

@telcp, having only callto and email limit this proposal. Your original proposal has been extended to offer more flexibility. If content is not an issue, then we should attempt to get support for more within the current limitations of proxy support. Furthermore, linking only within a .tel would mean existing ads would fail. Besides this is too restrictive.

If Telnic has the time to give us half a dozen image ad records, then work on @dottel's idea, maybe that is a better approach.

Mark

dottel.net

10-04-2012 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 25763)
@dottel, an image Naptr record internally structured like the logo record except 468 or 300 wide and ordered within the contact section by position ? This makes more sense, but requires more CTH and Proxy changes.

[size]
exactly. it might require more changes (tbc) but in the long run its a better move and correctly differeniates between advertising and images...

Added advanatage of this method, once coded you can have upto the max record count in a folder (if you so wish). An additional 'enhancement' would be to configure the spacing between two consecutive images to allow even more creativity.[/size]

TELcp

10-04-2012 02:35 PM

@Blunderer
@Mark

Agree with you.

Please read my amended statement as follows:

Re; Linking to

Shoul allow to have callto:, emailto: & to external sites.

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Will leave it to the .tel Owner to decide what is best him/her.
It's a wider choice. Agreed.

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TELcp

10-04-2012 02:46 PM

With regards to Ad Blockers, what Mark says is true.
Most of the ad blocker look for specific sizes and formats to block incoming content.

Therefore, if the sizes can be adjusted that is fine.
As long as it will not deviate from the look and feel of the .tel concept at Proxies.

Originally, did not want to ask more than what is already available as modification involves lot of changes to the existing design/coding, and will drag the implementation (if agreeable by Telnic) or might never happen at all.

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Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

10-04-2012 05:24 PM

Technical Specifications

To support Google content scraping, the DESC tag in the .tia specification should be used to create an ALT tag with the image. Might require a slight change in the SOAP code to accept DESC for both text and image ads.

Mark

dottel.net

10-04-2012 10:08 PM

good to see us getting back to some productive discussions again....

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

10-09-2012 12:50 AM

Ad HyperLinking Change

One more technical specification

Currently, the linking behavior of ad records varies especially for mobile. Sometimes the link opens a new window, other times it is the same window. I am suggesting that we have control over opening a new window or not at the record level for different content applications.

This is a request that the text, image and related content "_ad" DNS records allow a new internal parameter "target", eg
target "_blank"
target "_self"
to control linking behaviour of proxies by altering the default related HREF target tag. The mobile and desktop proxy defaults would remain unchanged by record type (text, image, related content). The ad records currently use a number of values, eg desc, uri, img so the format can allow a new value pair through the SOAP API.

Does anyone have any concerns or comments?

Mark

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Re: top & bottom image ads - a request to increase

by Telnic 2015-01-02, 5:05 am

boracay.tel

10-09-2012 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 25791)
One more technical specification

Does anyone have any concerns or comments?

[size]
This small change (invisible to most) would be a significant breakthrough (for those power users that use 3rd party imageAds tools)[/size]

TELcp

10-09-2012 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 25791)
One more technical specification

Currently, the linking behavior of ad records varies especially for mobile. Sometimes the link opens a new window, other times it is the same window. I am suggesting that we have control over opening a new window or not at the record level for different content applications.

Mark

[size]
Yes, Agree on this.
Thanks for bringing this up.

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TELcp

10-12-2012 07:19 AM

Very Important!

Request to increase the number of banners is not made just out of oblivion.
We have studied different ways of providing content on tel pages.
And observed the behaviour of time taken in content updates on tel pages (updating of records).

Taking throttling and other restrictions into consideration, the only way we can provide dynamic content on tel pages, without any strain on Telnic's servers, is by writing the updated content on banners.

It is important that Telnic implement this as early as possible.

Thanking you in advance.

Regards.

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

10-12-2012 02:25 PM

@Telcp, totally agree. Additional banners have many benefits.
Mark

TELcp

10-12-2012 07:48 PM

Dear Telnic,

Two leading developers (Mark & TELcp) agree on this request because we know the requirements of our clients.

What is your response on this please?

Your decision today will change many things of .tel tomorrow.

Thank you in advance, once again.

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Aled	10-15-2012 10:56 AM

Thank you for your suggestion. As some have pointed out earlier in this conversation, there are a number of issues with this modification which we believe makes this change request unsatisfactory for the community at large and for the .tel platform. As this is an ad space, it will be blocked by certain browsers and settings, making it unsuitable for providing critical information to visitors. We do not believe that increasing usage of this space or the number of units per page will benefit the ability to re-sell space on .tel domains, will impact on the load time and weight of the .tel page as a whole and will not be a pleasing experience on a mobile device or other clients that support .tel domains. By using such space for phone and email addresses you are also weakening the consistency of the DNS storage structure with regards to how phone numbers and email addresses can be identified by any consumer other than the proxy.

Additionally, contacts as images aren't going to be indexed by Google/Bing etc so the change would also have a likely negative effect on the indexing of the .tel domains using such ads. Finally, with two divergent views on what the usage actually is for, we anticipate that it would quickly be filled up with content that would not be conducive to the vision of the .tel.

We are happy to consider investing in modifications to templates that will drive benefit for the community and a better experience for both visitors and potential users of the services you provide. However, in this instance, due to the above reasons, we do not see this as a modification that meets any of these requirements.

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

10-15-2012 11:24 AM

Aled, the increase to the number of images for was one part of this proposal. The other requests were
1) ability to control the linking behaviour from image clicks
2) option to change size of image so not blocked as an ad
Mark

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

10-15-2012 11:37 AM

Aled, as to the reasons why image banners were suggested, one big reason is the matter of visual design.

As end users of .tel, we have no control, yet images are very appealing and allow for getting the attention of visitors. Template 8 with the large image was one step towards this, but should be allowed for all templates.

In addition, the ability to have a choice in Naptr icons perhaps even like a standard clipart for different services and industries would be a very positive step. I understand why custom icons were rejected years ago for performance reasons. Instead, expanding the sprites in your icon CSS would be a welcome change and would circumvent performance issues of allowing new icons. The .tsm allows for alternate icon sets doesn't it? Can you see the need for new icons for common industries like real estate?

Mark

TELcp

10-15-2012 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aled (Post 25802)
As some have pointed out earlier in this conversation, there are a number of issues with this modification which we believe makes this change request unsatisfactory for the community at large and for the .tel platform. As this is an ad space, it will be blocked by certain browsers and settings, making it unsuitable for providing critical information to visitors.

We do not believe that increasing usage of this space or the number of units per page will benefit the ability to re-sell space on .tel domains, will impact on the load time and weight of the .tel page as a whole and will not be a pleasing experience on a mobile device or other clients that support .tel domains. By using such space for phone and email addresses you are also weakening the consistency of the DNS storage structure with regards to how phone numbers and email addresses can be identified by any consumer other than the proxy.

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1) No one has opposed to this suggestion, although some may be not aware of the fact that this additional information can be used to display dynamic content such as stock prices, weather forecasts, auction information etc.

2) The requested number of banners is NOT a fixed/allocated figure. If anyone does not like it, he/she has the option to use the other type of records, still maintaining the max number of records per page (which is 100).

Quote:
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Originally Posted by Aled (Post 25802)
Additionally, contacts as images aren't going to be indexed by Google/Bing etc so the change would also have a likely negative effect on the indexing of the .tel domains using such ads.

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1) Search engines will read this as an image. In order to improve the SEO, one can always write descriptions under "FREE TEXT".
2) Labels of NAPTR records are immaterial in this case.
3) Even the telpages.com search engine does not read Labels on Records. As far as the search engines are concerned, Title, header and the FREE TEXT are more than enough.

Quote:
[/size]

Originally Posted by Aled (Post 25802)
Finally, with two divergent views on what the usage actually is for, we anticipate that it would quickly be filled up with content that would not be conducive to the vision of the .tel.

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1) You need to consider the views of the two remaining developers who are trying their best to improve the standard of the original concept of the .tel
2) This suggestion does not do any damage to the original vision of the .tel at all compared to other visions such as converting the .tel something similar to a traditional (yet limited in so many ways, technically) web site.

Quote:
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Originally Posted by Aled (Post 25802)
We are happy to consider investing in modifications to templates that will drive benefit for the community and a better experience for both visitors and potential users of the services you provide. However, in this instance, due to the above reasons, we do not see this as a modification that meets any of these requirements.

[size]
We do appreciate your response, and respect your decision.

Thank you.[/size]

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

10-15-2012 02:48 PM

In fact for SEO, alt tag can be filled in from a description field attached to the image record.
Mark

TELcp

10-15-2012 03:35 PM

However, we will still continue with our current project (for the sake of promoting the .tel).
But, unfortunately, the outcome (what the end user sees) is going to be less attractive.

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

10-16-2012 11:51 AM

Aled, there are a couple of unanswered questions above.

Furthermore after polling several key owners, here is the default linking behaviour we would like for browsers in both the desktop and mobile proxies ...

click WEBLINK to any .TEL URL destination, browser stays in same window
click WEBLINK .com etc opens new window
click GOTO to any .TEL destination, browser stays in same window
click GOTO .com etc opens new window
click IMAGE with .TEL URI stays in same window
click IMAGE to .com etc opens new windows

Mark

tony mayo

10-16-2012 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 25811)

click WEBLINK to any .TEL URL destination, browser stays in same window
click WEBLINK .com etc opens new window
click GOTO to any .TEL destination, browser stays in same window
click GOTO .com etc opens new window
click IMAGE with .TEL URI stays in same window
click IMAGE to .com etc opens new windows

Mark

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This functionality is very important and I would respecfully ask that it be added as soon as possible.[/size]

boracay.tel

10-16-2012 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 25811)
click WEBLINK to any .TEL URL destination, browser stays in same window
click WEBLINK .com etc opens new window
click GOTO to any .TEL destination, browser stays in same window
click GOTO .com etc opens new window
click IMAGE with .TEL URI stays in same window
click IMAGE to .com etc opens new windows

[size]
Dear telnic,
I agree 100%.
Thank you.[/size]

supercyberheroes

10-16-2012 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boracay.tel (Post 25813)
Dear telnic,
I agree 100%.
Thank you.

[size]
Any thing to improve .tel businesses, I agree 1 billion%

Regards
http://ideal.tel[/size]

Aled	10-16-2012 04:41 PM

I'll need to discuss your requests internally, but just a couple of questions on the request below:

click WEBLINK to any .TEL URL destination, browser stays in same window
Currently all weblinks open a new window. If you want to have a .tel link which stays in the same window it should be set as a GoTo. Is there any reason why you do not wish to do this?

It is entirely possible that some .tel owners, even some members of this forum, have intentionally populated their pages utilising the current functionality i.e. for .tel links that they want to stay in the same window they use GoTo links and for any .tel links that they wish to open a new window they use a weblink. A change such as this would destroy the logic that they have created.

click WEBLINK .com etc opens new window

click GOTO to any .TEL destination, browser stays in same window

click GOTO .com etc opens new window

It is not possible to add a GoTo link for a non-tel link. This isn't therefore relevant is it?

click IMAGE with .TEL URI stays in same window

click IMAGE to .com etc opens new windows

Thanks,
Aled

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

10-16-2012 05:06 PM

As per my suggestion much earlier, we need control as to how a link reacts. Forcing one way or another satisfies some and not other, and was not a good design. As our sites mature, we now know what we need.

So I suggested having an additional parameter on the _AD record. Keep the defaults as they are for current owners, but allow SOAP to pass a target and let the proxies honour it. That is the best way.

However that requires additional changes, so the suggestion of a new default seems logical with minimal change to the proxies at the moment.

There are also behavioral differences between mobile and desktop proxy linking. The reason for GOTO vs WEBLINK is probably due to that, don't know for sure.

GOTO .com yes my mistake in copy and pasting these scenarios.

What is most important is that image clicks do not open a new window when going to .TEL in both proxies.

Mark

boracay.tel

10-17-2012 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 25817)
What is most important is that image clicks do not open a new window when going to .TEL in both proxies.

[size]
EXACTLY.
It's that simple![/size]

TELcp

10-24-2012 06:45 AM

Aled,

This thread is about increasing the number of .tia ads, although there have been suggestions by other forum members referring to the target attribute of the adLink.

Now, I realise that I should have explained this proposal little better than I did in beginning.
My point is to increase the number of .tia imageads on top and bottom up to at least 20 per page wherein the .tel owner has the option to organise the order of the display/positioning.

We are aware that, at present, .tel cannot display any dynamic content on its proxies.
However, it is possibile (which has been tested already) that a .tel page can have fresh content (the nearest to the dynamic content) everytime the page refreshes. These content have to be sourced from an external site.

This can be achieved by two methods.

1) Provide fresh content to the .tel page (to .tad and other records) by means of an automated process via CTH, until the current throttling limits (Ref: AUP2010.pdf) are met. However, it should be noted an automated process can be designed in such a way to carry out its task without bringing in the throtling control in to action.

2) Providing fresh content from an external source by means of .tia imageads. In this case, the .tel owner submits the image source URI to the CTH which will reside in the DNS for life or until the .tel owner decides to change URI of the external source.

Now assume that a .tel domain has just one page to be filled with fresh content which will be, say, 25 records. And the .tel owner wishes to update this particular page by an automated process every two hours at EVENhr+00mins. And the same .tel owner has multiple domains at different registrars which are set to be triggered at the same time. And possibly other owners will have similar arrangement.

To achieve above, at present there is no choice but to use the method 1) explained above.
Now compare both methods and decide which one will be the best in terms of resources (at hosting level) required to carry out above process.

We are in the process of starting an open source project for the benefit of all .tel owners.
And plan to distribute free scripts that will maintain and update their own .tel domains automatically from Desktops/smartphones or by hosting on web servers. When/If scripts of updating content becomes popular there is going to be lot of SOAP calls from .tel owners to provide fresh content which will obviously put an extra load on Telnic Servers.

If necessary, I might be able to explain this technically even better.
But I believe Telnic's engineers will be able to understand and evaluate my proposal.

For your information, this proposal is based on feedback received from TELcp users. 95% of them are not forum members and have no idea about these discussions.

If necessary we can start a real time pilot project for you to monitor and other .tel owners to understand exactly how it works.

Kind Regards.

Aled	10-24-2012 08:13 AM

TelCP,

Did you see my response (post 46) to the request for additional image ads?

Thanks,
Aled

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Re: top & bottom image ads - a request to increase

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TELcp

10-24-2012 08:30 AM

@Aled,

Yes, I did.
And thought of explaining it little further than I did in my earlier posts.

If you refer to the ad blockers, then there is always a workaround to get through the Ad Blockers.
We have taken that into consideration.

Thanks.

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