Telnic Announces All-numeric Long Domain Strings Available from 15th October 2013

by hulltv 2013-09-29, 3:48 pm

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by hulltv 2013-09-29, 3:48 pm

None of my customers know my number, only their friends and family

They find me by walking down the street and long tail search terms in google

taxi or pizza maybe names like 321 a2z a2b and that is the end of it!

by TELwax 2013-09-29, 6:30 pm

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by TELwax 2013-09-29, 6:30 pm

So we have as identified usecases for registration of long numbers , whatever their popularity to be, or any distinctive added value for the money :

1. enterprise getting their hot line number to display through TEL more options to call their call center or other number on PABX or access to specific areas for Customer care on the enterprise website

2. not hyperbranded merchants but with nice easy-to-remember long number, willing to drag attention to other digital assets or incumbant website

3. known (branded) merchants with some existing long number, willing to drag attention to their other main digital assets or their official website, their opening hours and coupons, in case their long number is already registered in many directories and yellow pages and on their fleet of vans.

4. cold call heavy campaigns specialist willing to get traffic back on the long number set for the campaign from lookup search originated by thousands of callees who did no respond but want to know who called

5. merchants and shops , after being offered coupons for a long number TEL , offered by Hibu or other YP companies to attract and lock customers in their online directories though longnumber dot TEL entry gift

6. mobile email anonymizer : register mobile number XXYYZZPPQQRR.TEL for your number and tel your contacts on your voicemail or auto SMS responder, they might sent you an email at telco1@ thismobilenumber dot TEL or telco2@ thismobilenumber dot TEL to drop you a message in a convenient manner, or to download you latest vCard

7. As your friends know your mobile number already , or as it is already registred on their mobile phone book, just TEL them on your voice mail or by SMS that now to get more related updated info about you, or your , just need to search adding dot TEL to your number (to easily retrieve in mobile friendly format from their mobile, your FB account, your email, latest photos or phone number or address of that bar were we gather on Thursdays nights, phone number of the tennis club where you can meet, etc). You may give them pw to access TELfriends zone attached to your number

8. Protect your expensive latest smartphone by registering its 15 to 16 digits unique ID number so called IMEI number as a TEL, to reduce possibilities for thieves to extract some money with it on "second" hand markets as its IMEI can be Googled by anyone before buying/reselling it, and encourage being returned back the soonest at contact details shown on the .TEL

9. If you are a TAXI do register under dot TEL your long phone number with the vanity tag 8294 in it, to get additionnal traffic to your booking website or to get your phone number rank better in wild search from Google for Taxi + location (to be explained how by Registry )

10. Florists, PIZZA, etc might also register their long number with vanity tag for PIZZA or FLOWER that they do rent at high monthly for years now, to build more internet visibility throught this vanity long number they have been paying fr msuch a long time, and get more online and mobile traffic and sale orders.

WHAT ELSE ?
Any others ?

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by NewYorkCity 2013-09-29, 7:02 pm

@TELway

Impressive list!

The difficult part for Telnic will be to develop these business cases.

If it wasn't possible to find partners for name dialing, it will be even more difficult to find partners for these very special use cases.

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by TELwax 2013-09-30, 3:02 am

@NewYorkCity

Thks. Only trying to have better understanding. You may add more.

Whatever the usecase, it has first to be listed and pitched properly as a potential usecase, then stakeholders grab what they find interesting for them.
> For sure, if no initial pitching and evangelization from the Registry in its general PR and its teasing communication towards Registrars, the lowest results.
> Namedialling requires critical mass first, AND heavy-weights to change their daily business, so that it is why it is difficult, alt. impossible, at current stage IMHO.

In this list and its future extensions, what is important is whether the usecase requires critical mass (to avoid chicken and egg issue) OR some move from heavy weight giants to convince.

If NOT , all the better, then Registry and Registrars , or pro active stake holders , may find ways to adapt communication and marketing materials accordingly for 15th of october.

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by lostwithiel 2013-10-01, 1:18 pm

Just spotted http://00442070606301.tel/

Registered on Sept 27th by Telnic for a company called 301, their Design Agency.

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by 247 2013-10-01, 2:32 pm

Question: Hello, can I find you on the Internet?

Answer: Sure, please remember 00442070606301.tel and you can find me!

One minute later: Excuse me, was it 00442070606103.tel or 00442076060301.tel or 00442070606031.tel?

.tel is getting crazier and crazier!

by mikeseaton 2013-10-01, 4:55 pm

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by mikeseaton 2013-10-01, 4:55 pm

lostwithiel wrote:Just spotted http://00442070606301.tel/

Registered on Sept 27th by Telnic for a company called 301, their Design Agency.

Absolutely correct - this long digit .tel domain is already registered ahead of the live date of 15 October - see https://www.easywhois.com/?domain=00442070606301.tel

I personally would have gone for
https://www.easywhois.com/?domain=442070606301.tel (International and UK) and possibly also
https://www.easywhois.com/?domain=02070606301.tel (UK only)
- but it's a start (even though well in advance of the 15 October availability date).

Here's 3 long digit domains not yet registered:
https://www.easywhois.com/?domain=00442074676450.tel
https://www.easywhois.com/?domain=442074676450.tel
https://www.easywhois.com/?domain=02074676450.tel

The most likely registrant - Telnic - as +442074676450 is their phone number.

Bit weird that they got their design agency sorted out but not themselves !

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by mikeseaton 2013-10-01, 5:10 pm

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by mikeseaton 2013-10-01, 5:10 pm

247 wrote:Question: Hello, can I find you on the Internet?

Answer: Sure, please remember 00442070606301.tel and you can find me!

One minute later: Excuse me, was it 00442070606103.tel or 00442076060301.tel or 00442070606031.tel?

.tel is getting crazier and crazier!

@247 - I think you're missing the point !

The whole world is already geared up for numeric phone numbers, with smartphone address books providing links so you only have to select the name - Telnic already provide software to keep this updated from your .tel domain.

What we are talking about with long digit .tel domains is providing a mechanism so there only need be 2 contact mediums for getting in touch with anyone:

1. Their phone number.

2. Their phonenumber.tel which has all the diifferent contact methods etc.

So if you have an address book containing a mass of contacts, you simply enter their existing phone number followed by .tel to get every possible means of contacting the target, plus a bit about them as well, plus any other info they want to distribute.

It's A SINGLE POINT OF CONTACT idea - but using the EXISTING CONTACT METHOD (PHONE NUMBER) + .TEL on the end.

It couldn't get much simpler - and most people prefer simple over complex !

http://MikeSeaton.tel

PS. I know JohnSmith.tel is simpler - but it is impractical as there are probably tens of thousands of John Smiths in the UK alone !

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by kprobe 2013-10-01, 5:57 pm

Instead of Telco's, Telnic should push this to VOIP providers who are Telco competitors. Easier to implement in software/firmware rather than hardware. A VOIP caller could get a selection of contact phone numbers, even email/SMS if line is busy.
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by 247 2013-10-01, 6:13 pm

mikeseaton wrote:So if you have an address book containing a mass of contacts, you simply enter their existing phone number followed by .tel to get every possible means of contacting the target, plus a bit about them as well, plus any other info they want to distribute.

I don't understand how this should work:

My contacts have several phone numbers (at least work, home, business and private mobile)! Which one should I use for a .tel?

Do I have to add the country code, the area code and one or two zeros? I don't know!

I see a phone number in my phone address book. Now how can I tell my phone to find the related .tel? I have no idea!

This is far from reality!

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by mikeseaton 2013-10-01, 6:26 pm

247 wrote:I don't understand how this should work...

1. You decide which is your main phone number and register mainphonenumber.tel (including your country code) - Telnic would for instance register 442074676450.tel

2. You populate mainphonenumber.tel with ALL your means of being contacted.

3. Telnic make an adjustment to their free smartphone address book software so that you can either DIAL a phone number or VIEW the .tel itself (which of course has "click-to-call" built in).

That's it !

SIMPLE, EFFECTIVE and uses the ESTABLISHED CONCEPT of a phone number (with just the addition of ".tel") to provide access to ALL CONTACT METHODS.

http://MikeSeaton.tel

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by 247 2013-10-01, 6:37 pm

I'm getting closer.

But still:

mikeseaton wrote:3. Telnic make an adjustment to their free smartphone address book software so that you can either DIAL a phone number or VIEW the .tel itself (which of course has "click-to-call" built in).

How to get their free smartphone address book software on the phone since nobody knows about it? (It's easy to download, but today not more than 20 people in the world are using .tel actively.)

And how to get the numeric .tel? 301.co.uk got it for free from Telnic, but why should I pay $10 for it?

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by supercyberheroes 2013-10-02, 10:32 am

kprobe wrote:Instead of Telco's, Telnic should push this to VOIP providers who are Telco competitors. Easier to implement in software/firmware rather than hardware. A VOIP caller could get a selection of contact phone numbers, even email/SMS if line is busy.
Mark

You got a good point here Mark, I believe is easier than telco, telco could come after.

Regards

www.movie.tel

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by mikeseaton 2013-10-02, 2:34 pm

Who said Telnic's web site doesn't get updated ?

Here's a new page - the 15 October FAQ - http://www.telnic.org/short-numeric-only.html - although it's odd to call a page about Long all-numeric domains "Short" !

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mikeseaton wrote:although I don't really understand why a page about Long all-numeric domains is called Short !

... because Telnic is using the same link as for the introduction of numeric .tel domains in 2011.
Meanwhile I've learned from Aled Williams that all publicity respective the all-numeric domains is restricted to very little marketing material only for registrars.
Telnic is trusting again that the registrars do the work for Telnic.
In other words this new project will fizzle out very fast!

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by kprobe 2013-10-02, 3:11 pm

Name.com is not promoting numerics that's for sure. Their efforts are focused on new gTLDs. You cannot preorder numerics either, backorders are accepted but will not trigger.
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by mikeseaton 2013-10-02, 3:40 pm

Expert wrote:Meanwhile I've learned from Aled Williams that all publicity respective the all-numeric domains is restricted to very little marketing material only for registrars.
Telnic is trusting again that the registrars do the work for Telnic.
In other words this new project will fizzle out very fast!

kprobe wrote:Name.com is not promoting numerics that's for sure. Their efforts are focused on new gTLDs. You cannot preorder numerics either, backorders are accepted but will not trigger.

How can anyone expect retailers (ie. Telnic registrars) to be interested any more in promoting .tel when what many would view as a more desirable template is NOT made available to them by the manufacturer (ie. Telnic/Telnames) ?

And on top of that, the manufacturer sets up in direct competition to their own retailers ?

THIS IS A BASIC BUSINESS LESSON - RETAILERS DON'T LIKE THEIR OWN MANUFACTURER COMPETING WITH THEM SELLING THE SAME PRODUCT - NEVER MIND DENYING THEM THE LATEST IMPROVED VERSION AS WELL !

http://MikeSeaton.tel

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by Tim Spears 2013-10-02, 4:03 pm

@Mike

Correct; Telnic shot themselves in the leg with Telnames. They have disappointed partners and customers.
Was it worth the up to 10 new customers per day at Telnames?

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by mikeseaton 2013-10-02, 4:11 pm

Tim Spears wrote:@Mike

Correct; Telnic shot themselves in the leg with Telnames. They have disappointed partners and customers.

The phrases:

"Chickens coming home to roost"
"What goes around comes around"
"You reap what you sow"

etc, etc, come into my head.

What's so sad is how predictable this was, myself and so many others warned Telnic/Telnames about this - and also how they needed to get their act together before the new gTLDs became hot news - but were completely ignored as usual !

Still I suppose with $35,000,000 of shareholders money to fund your operation, down to single figure millions now, you can afford to ignore all advice - at least until the money runs out and the game's finally over !

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mikeseaton wrote:What's so sad is how predictable this was, myself and so many others warned Telnic/Telnames about this - and also how they needed to get their act together before the new gTLDs became hot news - but were completely ignored as usual !

Immediately after the Telnames launch I wrote this:

The potential of the new template from Telnames!

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by mikeseaton 2013-10-02, 5:54 pm

OK I've sussed it - my BIG IDEA - probably .tel's last opportunity to survive and prosper - is going to get ignored !

A spokesman from T***** commented:
"I used to be complacent but now I just can't be bothered !"

http://MikeSeaton.tel

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by Tim Spears 2013-10-02, 6:00 pm

Sorry Mike, but .tel can't become a success if Telnic doesn't want it. And Telnic definitely doesn't want it (at least not yet)!

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by mikeseaton 2013-10-02, 6:04 pm

Tim Spears wrote:Sorry Mike, but .tel can't become a success if Telnic doesn't want it. And Telnic definitely doesn't want it (at least not yet)!

@Tim - it certainly comes across that way - intentional or not !

Maybe it's time we all stopped living in "cloud-cuckoo" land and asked ourselves seriously is it now finally TIME TO QUIT .TEL ?

http://MikeSeaton.tel

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by TELwax 2013-10-02, 8:15 pm

from discussion in post 92 : wrote:

Expert wrote:
Meanwhile I've learned from Aled Williams that all publicity respective the all-numeric domains is restricted to very little marketing material only for registrars.
Telnic is trusting again that the registrars do the work for Telnic.
In other words this new project will fizzle out very fast!

kprobe wrote:
Name.com is not promoting numerics that's for sure. Their efforts are focused on new gTLDs. You cannot preorder numerics either, backorders are accepted but will not trigger.

Mikeseaton wrote:

.../... And on top of that, the manufacturer sets up in direct competition to their own retailers ?

THIS IS A BASIC BUSINESS LESSON - RETAILERS DON'T LIKE THEIR OWN MANUFACTURER COMPETING WITH THEM SELLING THE SAME PRODUCT - NEVER MIND DENYING THEM THE LATEST IMPROVED VERSION AS WELL !

LKPS !!! Perhaps the truth is even more basic, even if same results at the end of the day :

Did some of you tried to get the sales support of some Registrar they know as a Customer, and asked them whether the Registrar will allow registration of Long Numbers from 15th of october ?

If they don't , or don't know , then one can ask if they had properly received any kind of marketing materials from Telnic or any list of usecases ?

Perhaps the information materials sent towards Registrars was not sufficiently prepared nor sent to the right staff directly, nor pitched enough properly ?

Frankly if some Registry who ever he is , is not pitching or communicating efficiently towards Registrars with enough clear marketing materials, then the Registrars who are overwhelmed by communication plans and uncertain roadmaps from thousands of new Registry lining up, could certainly not have heared about long numbers so far, before deciding if it could be interesting or not...

It is not the Registrars who can be blamed for that !

And as none of them might so far have been troubled by some huge buzz starting, some visionnary comments in ezines and blogs , nor by TELnic massive communication or PR on application or usecases of long numbers, nor by any announcement from their own competitors (at the Registrar level) who would have picked up some clue about long number earlier ..... possibly REGISTRARS JUST ARE NOT PROPERLY INFORMED SO FAR !!!!

Again, Registrars like to earn money easy, especially when all the tools (the back end IT ) are already in place for selling domain names, TELs or not, long numbers or not (independantly from any Telnames story, which sales figures are funny clear for Registrars ).

So if Registrars did not start talking about long numbers, is possibly just because they did not hear properly about them so far, before we might suspect in a second step they also did not understand/were not explained properly why long numbers are interesting for end customers (as per TELnic's sales pitch with some usecases also not promoted by Telnic else where in its PR and media communication )

Perhaps one might learn more by ringing the support or the sales staff at its favorite Registrar, and ask if they will be able to offer starting on the 15th of October the long numbers announced by TELnic !
No info indeed shown on registrars websites so far...

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