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email address and spam? Hello I'd like to know if the email address is protected against spam on the tel pages. It seems not? Gz |
. Welcome to the forum, Grendizer. As far as I know: Every owner of a personal email address, must configure his email settings (spam filter). If you have a email address at Google or Yahoo, or somewhere else, you might need to look within those settings, if possible. If you put a filter, than your mail system will select all incoming mails, that look suspicious, or look like spam, and put them into a "spam folder", and so your main mail box would stay free from those mails. But I think, it is up to you, to set the protections filters. I doubt, it has anything to do, with where you post your email address, because the protecton is either there, or not there, where your emails come in (your email box). I hope this helps. Only my two cents. . |
No, grendizer, the .tel domains have not a email spambot protection. |
Hi, thanks for the help. I'm not sure you understood my question. The email address on the .tel page can easily be picked up by spammers who collect a lot of email address in order to send a lot of spam messages. On some web pages, there is some kind of protection, like for example: the email address is hidden by default and needs a user action to be revealed. |
Welcome to the forum grendizer. We do not believe that any of the methods used to hide email addreses offer 100% protection. Unfortunately, determined spammers will always find a way to get a publically published email address. Your .tel is all about sharing contact information If you are uncomfortable with publishing your email address or phone number in public, you can use the privacy feature and hide those contacts for friends only. You can find more information regarding privacy on our website here - http://www.telnic.org/tools-telfriends.html. |
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Hi Aled, I dont think your approachof just publishing the email address is correct. Every single website out there on the internet has some form of spam protection for email- surely you're not suggesting that those efforts are ridiculous?[/size] |
I agree just some kind of optional captha service would be nice. This is something I have been thinking about. Personally I simply rearrange my email and tell the user how to arrange it correct. something like. To avoid spam my email name is written wrong. Take the first letter and place it last instead. hello@teldomain.tel I write like ohell@teldomain.tel However this means it is not clickable. Or add some letter first and tell the user to remove the first letter. like: To avoid spam I added a 5 infront of the email, you need to remove the 5. 5hello@teldomain.tel They dont work 100% but they do give the spam collectors much more work. |
A colleague of mine has setup a reCAPTCHA protection for his email address as proof of concept, see http://email-me.vlad.tel/ |
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Very nice. Gives me an idea. Mark[/size] |
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I don't know, looks weird, that http://Vlad.Tel from Telnic is using Captcha, as it implies that Telnic official sees there is something wrong with displaying an e-mail. Further, Captcha degrades and insults humans in favor of checking out if it is a machine. There are many ways for Telnic to avoid spam robots, other than Captchas: 1. Javascript and other HTML obfuscation techniques would still allow visitors with browser to read the e-mail address, click on it, to send e-mail, but it would invisibly make it harder to harvesting robots. Example solutions, but only some would be truly usable on TEL domains: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/g...ilobfuscation/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-sp...niques_(e-mail) http://www.csarven.ca/hiding-email-addresses http://www.hcidata.info/obfuscate-email-address.htm http://reliableanswers.com/js/mailme.asp http://www.hide-email-script.com/ There is right now so much nonsense Javascript on TEL domain, making it 200 KB large in total, that it truly makes sense to implement an option in Telhosting panel, to obfuscate the e-mail address. 2. Telnic could implement image based e-mail addresses, to be opted in the TEL hosting panel. 3. Telnic could implement an automatic form such as http://Tel2Form.Com to have every TEL domain owner be able to send e-mails over forms. But still, I think, whoever does not want e-mail to be shown, shall not show it, and shall implement own form or own redirection system to save him from spam. It is questionable how much even Captcha helps, or any of the above methods. And further, purpose of TEL domain is to show information, not to hide it. It shall be in the DNS, like the fax or phone number.[/size] |
.tel is .tel, it's main USP is the speed and ease with which it can be used on a mobile phone to display and use contact info, if you don't want that info on display, then don't display it, try filling out a few CATHCPAs on an old mobile and see just how annoying it is. If you want the comfort and security of a limosine get a web based site and tie it up with forms, catchpas, etc. You'll still get spammed! If you want the speed and responsiveness of a ferrari get a .tel. I have several of both and the web based sites get far more junk mail than my .tels. |
To be frank looking at a weird code like that in place of email would not even want me to click it, if i was on the PC/Laptop i would be scared too due to so many viruses coming out, if one wishes to show their email well and good if not just don't show it and keep it private. where as spam is concerned i get alot too but if you have spam filter you just block them and out of 100 emails atleast 30 will go directly there Shahid |
Sometimes technology develops into the direction where it grants more rights to machines than to humans, and then you have Captchas. I have one of e-mail addresses on my empty domains, and I have not experienced some visible spam increase, but one can expect it after some time. TEL domains have not been yet truly discovered by spammer but they are perfect for them. But TEL is about communication, so once you put e-mail, you do want to be contacted, even spammer might be legitimate. Setting up a mail server correctly, one can still avoid most of the spam without mail filter. Anyway, e-mail is a standard contact information, although TELNIC could offer some kind of obfuscation, many companies display their e-mail addresses on COM websites, so why not on TEL. |
Oddly enough I've seen a greater number of spam emails coming in from email addresses on my .com domains vs tel domains. could just be down to my .com sites getting more visitors I agree with the comments - if you're publishing your email you want it to be found. If you don't want others to easily find it use one of the various solutions out there or go to the extremes of 'friending' it. |
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1 Attachment(s) I found this old thread quite by accident tonight and thought I'd see what solutions were suggested to help reduce the chances of email harvesting by spambots on .tel sites. Surprisingly, one of the simplest, but not foolproof, solutions involves Unicode Characters. Simply replace the standard keyboard "@" symbol with the Unicode "@" equivalent and the standard keyboard "." (or dot as in .com) with the Unicode "." equivalent. You can just copy the Unicode symbols from below or use the updated Unicode Worksheet I've prepared. Unicode @ symbol = @ Unicode . symbol = . Aled, could the CTH be programmed to do the substitution of the "@" and the "." automatically on email address records? This would greatly increase email address security without any extra knowledge or effort on the part of the .tel owners. Dan |
Jens, Dan, As I stated earlier in this thread (http://www.telnic.org/forum/showpost...04&postcount=5), we don't believe that any method can provide 100% protection. Your .tel is about sharing contact information and even if a method was created to hide it in the proxy, it would still be available in the DNS for anyone to retrieve. That's the nature of your .tel. Without this availability tools such as the mobile apps and Mike's TelDial tool would not be able to read the information. If you don't want your email address to be available to all in your .tel you need to make it private. |
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Well said Aled, it's important that the open nature of the DNS - the foundation of the .tel concept - is made clear to all who have purchased .tel domains. Mike Seaton[/size] |
