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Surnames Question, What does the forum feel about the value of Surnames, I appreciate that in general they will probably not be a big money spinner, but could still provide a decent return, reason I ask is that there are still a lot of surnames available. TIA |
Working Girls Have Discovered Dot Tel!... . The oldest business in the world is using surmames for .tel: Working Girls Have Discovered Dot Tel!...: "For the last couple of months, the joke around the office has been that dot tel would be extremely useful for “ladies of the evening”. We just couldn’t come up with a way of marketing to them that didn’t sink us into tawdriness. Well it looks like we are too late – they have discovered dot tel without our help. Anyone who is on Twitter has a large number of “working girls” following them. A review of the tweets that Dot Tel Finder aggregates http://www.dottelfinder.com/tweets/ shows two such ladies who believe .tel would be an asset to their business. Some Googling on this particular demographic of Twitter users shows that they are early adopters of all technologies as their job mandates the need for constant promotion and accessibility. It seems that any sole proprietorship has the same needs – you have to constantly market yourself in different arenas and be available to clients through a myriad of channels. So if Twookers have discovered .tel , why haven’t you?" (Source: Aboutdottel) . . |
Working Girls 2 Here is the full transcription of the hot conversation between those 2 Twookers on Twitter: Tweet#1: sexy_asian "im thinking of getting my .tel domain name so people call me and find me" Tweet#2: sexy_asian "@banged did you see this .tel domain with direct connect? can we use this" Tweet#3: banged "what? the .tel domain? the phonebook from the asian news?" Tweet#4: banged "@sexy_asian what names are still available i want a good .tel domain name" Tweet#5: banged "@sexy_asian send me a link.. who sells it?" Tweet#6: DotTelFinder "@banged @sexy_asian BangedPussy.tel and SexyAsian.tel are still available ... Hurry up ladies!" Enjoy your week-end! Best, |
. A little more serious, explaining how to use surname .tel's for business: http://bubbl.us/view.php?sid=513278&...UTZuczVIeWlKaw |
I had more than one reason for registering surnames, but I'm thinking vanity names, email addresses, etc. I think it's a natural to inspect your last name as soon as you learn about .tel (first names too obviously), and as dot tel matures the value of "The Trophy" surname.tel will also mature. Another obvious is that firstnamelastname.tel's will be quite common, but just your surname? NICE. I own close to 200 surnames in fact, and I plan to populate them with geneology of the surname. I believe this would make them more attractive, and add some value to anyone arriving at the dot tel. You can see my list of surnames on http://Undermoose.Tel - follow the web link, then click "Salutation" to see the surnames. |
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When these ladies will learn that their real names will be available for everyone via "Whois", then they will think twice before registering .tel. :eek: .[/size] |
. As far as I know: If your registrar is Domainmonster: He offers you a privacy service for Whois entries. So I understand, that one could be in Whois, not having to show their name: Registrant Name: Domainmonster.com Privacy Service Example: pills.tel domain lookup results from whois.nic.tel server: Domain Name: PILLS.TEL Domain ID: D674271-TEL Sponsoring Registrar: MESH DIGITAL LIMITED Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 1390 Domain Status: clientDeleteProhibited Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited Domain Status: clientUpdateProhibited Registrant ID: MESHDM-84952 Registrant Name: Domainmonster.com Privacy Service Registrant Organization: Mesh Digital Ltd (Domainmonster.com) Registrant Address1: PO Box 1125 Registrant City: Guildford Registrant State/Province: Surrey Registrant Postal Code: GU1 9LU Registrant Country: UNITED KINGDOM Registrant Country Code: GB Registrant Phone Number: +44.1483307528 Registrant Facsimile Number: +44.1483304031 Registrant Email: 070ACE88-541A-4E51-99F5-B7169CB1B3A1@privatemonster.com Administrative Contact ID: MESHDM-84952 Administrative Contact Name: Domainmonster.com Privacy Service Administrative Contact Organization: Mesh Digital Ltd (Domainmonster.com) Administrative Contact Address1: PO Box 1125 Administrative Contact City: Guildford Administrative Contact State/Province: Surrey Administrative Contact Postal Code: GU1 9LU Administrative Contact Country: UNITED KINGDOM Administrative Contact Country Code: GB Administrative Contact Phone Number: +44.1483307528 Administrative Contact Facsimile Number: +44.1483304031 Administrative Contact Email: 070ACE88-541A-4E51-99F5-B7169CB1B3A1@privatemonster.com Billing Contact ID: MESHDM-84952 Billing Contact Name: Domainmonster.com Privacy Service Billing Contact Organization: Mesh Digital Ltd (Domainmonster.com) Billing Contact Address1: PO Box 1125 Billing Contact City: Guildford Billing Contact State/Province: Surrey Billing Contact Postal Code: GU1 9LU Billing Contact Country: UNITED KINGDOM Billing Contact Country Code: GB Billing Contact Phone Number: +44.1483307528 Billing Contact Facsimile Number: +44.1483304031 Billing Contact Email: 070ACE88-541A-4E51-99F5-B7169CB1B3A1@privatemonster.com Technical Contact ID: MESHDM-84952 Technical Contact Name: Domainmonster.com Privacy Service Technical Contact Organization: Mesh Digital Ltd (Domainmonster.com) Technical Contact Address1: PO Box 1125 Technical Contact City: Guildford Technical Contact State/Province: Surrey Technical Contact Postal Code: GU1 9LU Technical Contact Country: UNITED KINGDOM Technical Contact Country Code: GB Technical Contact Phone Number: +44.1483307528 Technical Contact Facsimile Number: +44.1483304031 Technical Contact Email: 070ACE88-541A-4E51-99F5-B7169CB1B3A1@privatemonster.com Name Server: A0.CTH.DNS.NIC.TEL Name Server: D0.CTH.DNS.NIC.TEL Name Server: N0.CTH.DNS.NIC.TEL Name Server: S0.CTH.DNS.NIC.TEL Name Server: T0.CTH.DNS.NIC.TEL Created by Registrar: MESH DIGITAL LIMITED Last Updated by Registrar: NEULEVELCSR Domain Registration Date: Mon Mar 23 23:59:59 GMT 2009 Domain Expiration Date: Thu Mar 22 23:59:59 GMT 2012 Domain Last Updated Date: Tue Mar 31 13:55:46 GMT 2009 ----------------------------------------------------------------- . |
. Edit: But nota bene!: If your domain name has „confusing similarity“ with a company that holds a trade mark on a similar (brand) name, than WIPO will acuse you, in case of a domain name dispute, in any case, for holding a domain name in „bad faith“, if you use a privacy service for registering a domain name. Because that would be regarded / considered as hiding your identity in case of bad faith usage of a domain name. And it would give the panelist another reason for regarding you as a cyber squatter. So, in such a case, you would be only disqualifying your self in advance, if using such a privacy service, if you must expect a domain name dispute to happen any time. Even selling Viagra pills, could be quite risky, in case of a law suit... . Think twice, before considering to use a domain register privacy service: You don't want to be criminalized (called a criminal, or said to be comitting a crime, or a unlawful act) if you have not comitted any crime, or illegal act. But of course, if you want to register a surname domain name, because you offer adult services: Using a privacy service for registering your domain name, may be ok. Stay clean, be correct. And privacy, in this matter, is really only for offering adult services. And should not be used for anything else. (It is even wrong to use pricacy in auctions, if it is not about adult services, sex toys, etc. Regrettably, privacy is been used in any online auctions, and is often misused for fraudulent transactions, respectively, for shill bidding (SnapNames scandal) with nick names, or with numbers (eBay, Sedo, etc.) - There are much more cases of uncovered shill bidding, than what gets covered up, in seldom cases.) - Just a few more thoughts, and my two cents... . . |
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That domain, which you use as an example, is from Landrush, so its privacy does not show the current situation with it. As to the use of "privacy", I think that it would be better if everyone himself would decide does he need to use it or no. P.S. We already tried to discuss why "Privacy" is not available now: http://www.telnic.com/forum/showthread.php?t=364 .[/size] |
. Relax... I did not say, what people must do: I sayd, what people should better not do, to prevent them selfs from loosing their .tel domain, in case of a domain name disput. Using a privacy service for registering a domain, would be regarded as hiding identity/holdin a domain name in "bad faith", in a domain name disput about that domain. You are able to defend your (.tel) domain name: But you want to do it smart, without disquallyfying yourself before trial even begins... There are a lot of big guns out there, wanting to take your domain away from you. Wanting to posses the domain name, that you created and registered, and paied for: And that all fully legaly. That's the dirty side of the domaining game. You are free to do and decide how you like, but it is better, if you make a decision by beeing well informed about possible risks. Nothing more. We don't like letting domainers "walking into a open knife", if we can warn them before, "about the knife that might be there" (WIPO). . Where you able to follow me? . (Korruption rules over justice and peace, and is everywhere and omnipresent: And so, there is no such thing as justice and peace. Either you act very smart, are very well informed and educated, and are familiar with the rules, or you have no chance against a big gun. Who is effectively acting in bad faith, in most of the WIPO cases? For example, claiming that he is the lawful owner of a domain, which he neither created, nor registered, but just because he had registered a trade mark on that name. But too late. And so he is a claiming fool, just hoping that the panelist might decide in his favor, because he is big and powerful. There are loads of lawyers out there, earning their living by playing dirty und unlawful tricks, trying to bypass law, trying to benefit from a niche, from a missing rule or law. Trying to bend a law in their favor. Hoping that a judge may make new law, every time, or not seeing flaws and mistakes within claims. It is more and more just gambling, than serious law suits, or showing a little bit of respect for people. Law suits within domaning, are the biggest desaster, because so little is properly ruled and regulated. And so it is like a lottery, if you get right or not, even if you have "good cards". A part of the "lawyers guild" work no different than organised criminals (white collar crime, yes, here, too...). And so, that is why nothing changes to the better, in this world, because any sort of crime can be defended. By other criminals, who have studied law. - Any justice for average domainers?: Nope..., or very seldom. Because you won't get much justice, as a nobody domainer, you got to enter the "arena", "fight pit" (domain disput) "with good cards".) . . |
You guys went completely off topic. This is a surname discussion. Kindly delete your posts, and move them to another thread. |
. This is obviously not your "comfort zone"... Hoever, this is about "lessons in love, as well as lessons in law", which do go well together. About dot tel surnames, for adult services, and the question about: "When should we use a privacy service, for registering a .tel domain name?" You too: Sit back and relax... It's about the underworld, not the undermoose... It's about Sex and Crime. A fascinating thread, at last!... Cheers... . . |
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Undermoose, you are right! It is better to have it all in one place. Mactel, would you be so kind to continue discussion of the need / harm of "privacy" function in the topic at this link? http://www.telnic.com/forum/showthread.php?t=364 P.S. Undermoose, I put my remark about "privacy" here because use of surnames in tel-domain names is in close connection to personal security of tel owners.[/size] |
I may have missed the discussion, but is there any Issue with Pills.tel? I own it. |
aliencafe, I am sorry for exposure of that name in my quotation. I already hided letters of that domain name in that my post. |
You're obviously not sorry, you continue to derail this thread. Take your pills.tel dicussion to the appropriate place, post your own topic, go hire a lawyer, whatever. The problem now is this thread is ruined. A person interested in this topic will see the derailment and their eyes will glaze over, end of discussion... Moderator please fix this thread and delete the inappropriate posts. |
Undermoose, thank you very much for your valuable remarks! By the way, it would be interesting to know your opinion about use of surnames in .tel domains? By some opinions people will avoid to take such names for their tels and will prefer nicks. Do you think that they will be popular? |
It depends on the person. Usually you can't get your real name so you have no choice but to use a nick name, both names, or a combo. I have a couple of friends who grabbed their last names immediately. It looks very professional. I'd say, "Distinguished". |
. Sorry Pal. I think your post (quoted) should rather be in the sales thread, because you are providing a link to your domain list, where the domains are mainly offered for sale: Quote: "...follow the web link, then click "Salutation" to see the surnames." Quoted from your website: "Some of these names will be for sale, and some are personal use. Send an email to enquire: bullmoose@undermoose.com." You are mainly interested in selling your surname dot tel domains. It is obvious. And you want people to rather take attention of your sales post, than the rest of the thread, which provides some interesting thoughts and useful information, and which is less dry and boring to read, than so many other posts and threads, that have been posted within this forum. A bit of spicing up, and sort of excurion. But surnames and privacy, will always be a issue. Especially, if surnames are used to offer adult services. Quote:
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The Whois of pills.tel is public information. And it is shown here, as a example for registering a dot tel domain name by using a privacy service, provided by a registrar. And I was trying to explain, when it is ok, to use such a service (for .tel surnames, for example), and in which cases it should better not be used (confusing similar domain name, etc., as well as to prevent from accusations of "bad faith" domain name registering). So, no: There is no issue with pills.tel. And it is neither my duty to tell sellers, that they should be a bit careful, if selling Viagra pills online... Those are not as harmless as the power drink with the red bull logo, if you take a little too much. . Take care, and take care and resposibility of others, too, if you are selling them "hot stuff". A over dosis of those pills, can cause the consumer "youknowwhat"... And if a widow brings you to trial/court, you would have to pay quite a lot of money, that you probably won't have. I am just beeing honest with you, because I care about you. And I don't like fellow domainers going to jail / prison, for something they could of easily have prevented. IMO. . Dot tel domains are also for commercial use, but we must act responsible, and witin the law. Transparency, is always a good thing in business, and causes less distrust. . . [/size] |
