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Phase 1.5 - The Pragmatic Solution ? There has been a lot of discussion in this forum about the Killer App Phase 2 - how long it will be before Telnic considers "critical mass" has been reached and they are able to present a case to the Telco providers to modify their systems to do automatic DNS lookups to retrieve phone numbers, email addresses, etc. But what if "critical mass" is never reached - registrations seem to be hovering around the 300K mark month after month? Or if "critical mass" is reached - but only a few Telcos worldwide can be persuaded to modify their systems so .tel auto lookups do not work for many people? Could we switch the autolookup to the client end and resolve the issue now - call it Phase 1.5 if you like - and if Phase 2happens all well and good but if not you are still able to "phone a .tel", "email a .tel" etc. Here's a quick and dirty "email a .tel" solution at the client end - it works with both .tel domains and subdomains - only tested it on PCs and Laptops but try it and see what you think. It works by just adding "mailer.com" to the .tel domain or subdomain. Here's some examples of "emailing a .tel" (if you enter the url in your address bar the response page, which contains the .tel Title, is to the same page the url was entered from): http://justin.telmailer.com http://telnic.telmailer.com http://mikeseaton.telmailer.com http://kprobe.telmailer.com (no email address in main domain) http://corporate.kprobe.telmailer.com (email address in subdomain) Would it be worthwhile this Phase 1.5 being developed by Telnic or a 3rd party to include "phone a .tel" as well as "email a .tel" etc.? Mike Seaton |
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First I was confused. Then I tried it and went, wow, that is fantastic. Then I thought, what about multiple entries ? What if there are multiple ___________ addresses ? Also, What if it is "buried" like van.tel ? :confused:[/size] |
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Hi Telrific, I made a decision to just extract the first one physically on the page. So the user would need to make sure that the most important email address, phone number etc was the first one on the page, if they felt in necessary to have several on a single page. In the case of branch offices these would normally be defined in subdomains so there would often be only one email address and phone number on each branch subdomain page. As I mentioned it's just a "quick and dirty" solution to test the concept of a Phase 1.5 and get people's reaction. Mike Seaton[/size] |
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Great answer, good to see a spine around here. That's the way it is and now people know, and it makes perfect sense. Say what you do, and do what you say. I like it. :cool:[/size] |
van.tel has extra two pictures on it's site Do you guys know how it can be done and if there is a limit of pictures we can ad ? |
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this is very easily done be it for email or web forwarding. problem you'll get is if you try and trigger the phone response don't believe all mobile phones would accept this. we've been playing with this for over a year since our very first proxy version, the same concept is also used by our geo image tool that 'jumps' you to a folder within a tel. problem is this: it doesn't address the ease of use/in the users hand that being able to dial natively would achieve (phase II). to explain, here's the options: 1. user either has to go to a tel, scroll down to a phone, email, web, etc then click to action it (they can do this now) 2. the user if given a shortcut url like dial. not sure how 1.5 is better then what we have now and doesn't require the user to have to remember another url. worth brainstorming further though...[/size] |
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TelMasters.com and TelDomains.pl have Image Ad Management Tools That Allow This. You have to have the images hosted elsewhere. www.cv1.tel uses the same www.cincico.tel uses the same peopleplace.tel uses them There are others, great to use image ad space to add appearance to .tel ! :)[/size] |
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It's all about the speed of achieving what you want to do - particulary if using a mobile phone. IMO if you want to email me it's quicker to just type in http://mikeseaton.telmailer.com rather than type in http://mikeseaton.tel (which may take a while on some mobiles to load), read the content to locate the email address, then click the email link to open the email window. Of course the downside is the user would have to remember to add on "mailer.com" to any .tel domain or subdomain they wanted to email. I agree that extending "Phase 1.5" to phone nos. is likely to be harder to do technically. This whole thread is meant to generate discussion over what options are available for making .tel attractive if for any reason Phase 2 doesn't happen soon, or if it does happen, is not adopted worldwide by all major Telcos as it needs to be. To use an old quote, "Hope for the best, Plan for the worst". Mike Seaton[/size] |
I think what I found of value was the idea that people want ease of use, and this has it at some level. If something can "discover it for you", without you looking it up, and possibly erring, it's appreciated. Sounds petty, but "do it for me" is a classic win with people generally - .tel's "click to launch" is a significant benefit versus manually seeing and pushing buttons already - especially if it's bookmarked. If I saw a list of telephone numbers and I wasn't sure which I should ring, I might like to use "teldialer" to look up the preferred one for me. Of course, if I know by rule it's the first, it negates the tool. Without a tool like this of course, the problem is easily solved with a "preferred" icon or statement, but when that's not done as a rule for visitors, it leaves questions, and this is at least one idea and answer. Needs a shorter url maybe too ? I don't know of too many 2-character non-tel domains to shorten with, but they exist ! Would obviously be a Country Code extension - like I used tel.tc at one point. mikeseaton.tel.tc is quicker, you might find a set somewhere yet. Oh, by the way, if I forget your .tel then I need to look it up anyway, so that I can use the tool, so I am going to be on TelPages and your .TEL anyway ... if I remember your .TEL then the above counts sure enough. Too many rules and tools will just send people back to manually pushing buttons too, so we have to be careful. Bottom line - if I remember someone's .tel and I want a direct method, this is a great idea. If not, then we're back to TelPages, .TEL, and Good Direction anyway. |
Here's another variation on the "quick access" theme, where you display the URL (for linking through to the full .tel if required), Title, First Phone / Skype / Email - see http://henri.teldial.com i.e. just add "dial.com" to your .tel domain. Works also with subdomains - see http://corporate.kprobe.teldial.com Probably shouldn't have included the graphic since this will slow things down a bit - but initial thoughts were it helped with user confidence that they were on the correct .tel. Interested to hear any views on this - the whole idea is to phone/skype/email as quickly and easily as possible. Of course Phase 2 could arrive soon and Phase 1.5 would become history - I can live with that ! Mike Seaton |
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That's one's better, picture included, one url to remember for the "hot stuff". Basically, you are creating an "html profile standard - with fixed data". .TEL is supposed to be this ultimately, with the .TEL domain the easy, memorable lookup. However, considering the complexity/variety of .TEL's you at least have a "quick rule" ! This "standard" could catch on for simple information, even 2 or 3 way verification services. I forwarded tel.tc for you, sub-directories pass too. When it updates you can use tel.tc to shortcut to teldial.com ! Hey, that's five less buttons to push than teldial.com ! :o[/size] |
nice to see an old idea getting some new airtime - i tried this a couple of years ago here: http://telnic.org/forum/showthread.p...ght=telpowered but didn't get any traction. all the code is still nicely stored and ready to go should someone want to resurrect this. Basically easy redirects/functionality by having a 'wrapper' + action over data stored in a tel domain using another url. |
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Yet I don´t know exactly how does it work, and I don´t know how integrate it in a directory, but I think this is a very very good idea. I have put my name and have worked http://josealfonso.teldial.com[/size] |
here you illustrated bold problem of sharing information publicly, if anyone of tel. users concerns about receiving spam from Nigeria. and with VOIP, now also automatic "you're our 1.000.000 customer, send us $20 to claim your prize" voice recorded messages to your cellular. |
To overcome some of these issues, i have seen some directory doing the following: 1- they mask the last 3 digits. It only appears when the use hover the cursor over the number. 2- they mask the number totally. It only appears when you click on the link. |
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Can you please give the URL links to the .tels using 1) and 2) techniques ? Thanks, Mike Seaton[/size] |
They are not .tel directory but regular .com .net directory I found on google... |
Remember: nothing is masked if it can be seen on a web page by eyeballs. Even the captchas have been broken by algorithms. |
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Agreed - the basic rule with .tel is if you don't want people to read your email address, phone no., skype id etc., DO NOT PUBLISH IT to Telnic's DNS. That seems a pretty straightforward and reasonable proposition to me. Mike Seaton[/size] |
