Locally-served Telpages.com A suggestion for the upcoming telpages.com to outshine Google. Detect the IP of the visitor to telpages and grab the approximate geo location of its server or at least the country. Then serve up results ordered by nearest location from the top down. This will allow for local results to come up first. Such a feature would make a telpages search more powerful than a google search and would yield more appropriate hits over standard domains. Weigh the match using the LOCation record of each tel domain. Make local search a default option. For example, if someone is searching for bakeries from a cell phone in Toronto, list the matching tels from Toronto first, Canada second, then the remaining tels that matched the criteria. Chances are for generic searches, people are looking locally. Geo subfolders (toronto.canada.bakeries.tel) within generically-named directories could pull the same weight as locally-named domains (torontodonuts.tel). |
Good points Mark. Out of curiosity though I'm curious what order you would put the following .tel pages below if I did a search for "Toronto Bakeries": toronto.canada.bakeries.tel or torontobakeries.tel or torontodonuts.tel or bakeriestoronto.tel? Alternatively if I were to do a search for 'Bakeries Toronto' what order would you have the results show? |
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Would be up to the algorithm telnic uses, considering context, match %age and aliases - my guess ... 1 bakeriestoronto.tel 2 torontobakeries.tel 3 toronto.canada.bakeries.tel 4 torontodonuts.tel[/size] |
Just testing you Mark. Just wanted to make sure your on the mark. RM |
I am curious what order would we have of the results show if we will add two more entries to our example:bakeries.toronto.canada.tel and bakeries.toronto.tel? toronto.canada.bakeries.tel -- torontobakeries.tel -- torontodonuts.tel -- bakeriestoronto.tel -- bakeries.toronto.canada.tel -- bakeries.toronto.tel 1 - ? 2 - ? 3 - ? 4 - ? 5 - ? 6 - ? |
Depends what's inside those domains! |
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Is this suppose to be a trick question using semantic latent content. For 'Bakeries Toronto' the search engines will follow the following results: 1 bakeriestoronto.tel 2 torontobakeries.tel 3 bakeries.toronto.tel 4 toronto.canada.bakeries.tel 5 bakeries.toronto.canada.tel 6 torontodonuts.tel These results take into consideration that the other variables, as Hasseily pointed out, are equal. However as a note to Hasseily and other people trying to get their domain on top of the search engines, the domain definitely holds a lot of weight on search engines. Over time the weight given to domain names has increased (25% of the weight) and continues to increase as it is the hardest thing to cheat when trying to move a site up a search engine. Quality domains over time fall into the hands of people with money and people that want to build. These domains are a better gamble for search engines to provide accurate quality results that will reward people who search. :eek:[/size] |
@RonMunson, I agree that I've been shocked by the importance of the domain string lately. Which is a great thing for .tel |
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Hiya, I am aware of the domain name importance and agree to that. But just wondering if you can show any authority proofs about the 25% weight-age for domain name?[/size] |
Mark, Ron, Henri: While I do agree this is a nice feature, it becomes tricky because quite a few of people search for things in advance of a trip or to help someone who is in that area but they are not. So for example, I may be at home in Alaska searching for info and planning a trip to Waikiki, or a friend may be in Waikiki and call me and ask me to search something for them. Since I'm 1000 miles away from that destination my search results would be skewed towards things near my location (Alaska in the example). I guess you could have a "use Gps" or "do not use Gps" feature. Food for thought: How do you compensate for this in the search engine? regards. |
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so for best search results, use the map data (location record) of a city based .tel . surely it would be set to the actual city :D[/size] |
Boracay, I think you missed my point entirely. Or quite possibly I misunderstood you. Of course Waikiki.tel would be set to the city Waikiki. I thought the discussion was about automatic geo based location search functions, therefore directing you to the locations by using your gps location in your phone presumably and helping generate results in the telpage search favoring your location. My point was that while geo auto search is an awesome feature which would be widely used, how do you differentiate to the Telpages when you are using the search enabling GPS or when you do not want the feature on. Kind regards- |
Personally (not speaking for Telnic here) I despise the IP geolocation business, that everyone seems to be starting to use extensively. When I'm traveling and I go to google.com, and see it in French, Spanish or Arabic or whatever else, I scream in frustration. DO NOT REDIRECT ME WHEN I'M ON GOOGLE.COM, DAMMIT! THERE'S A REASON I DIDN'T GO TO GOOGLE.FR DIRECTLY! |
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Absolutely true also, most of the users search something like "hotels in cityname/countryname" so if the results are relevant then that should be fine as it serves the purpose[/size] |
The choice (whether geographically targeted or not) should be left to the end user. The site owner should not force the user what he/she (the owner) likes. |
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This 25% is my questimate and if there is anyone in the wold to ask about search engine marketing it would be me. I run tests on hundreds of occassions with hundreds of industries. What is more important is that this 25% is something that you can't ever get back unless you own the domains. Other stuff such as putting the keywords in your site can help but I can copy what the next joe did. Here is an example of one I tested out recently when I took a site that was created with a real handycap for being optimized for search engines and moved it to the top of the search engines with a quality domain. Note, this site has very little content that is recognizable by Google since it has images and flash all over the first page. However it has been in the top three results for the last few months since I changed the name of the client company to Cell Long Distance and the root domain name to www.CellLongDistance.com. For cell phones 'Cell Long Distance' is the number one search that is done. Do a search for 'Cell Long Distance' and tell me where it ranks on your version of Google. I have even found some domains without content (not even pointed to hosting) doing very well in competitive searches on Bing.com. This shocked me but further emphasizes the power of a good domain. I'm sure Bing.com will be preventing this shortly as anyone that clicks on the link gets a dead page.[/size] |
Definitely true and a very important observation. Lawyer Calgary Calgary Lawyer Lawyer in Calgary Lawyers in Calgary Search terms like this is what people type in when doing a search for a local service. The way Google acts when something like this is typed in is it looks in the domain for these words first and gives weight accordingly. If the search is done on Google.ca it gives more weight to domains in the .ca namespace. If it is done on Google.com it gives more weight to the domains in the .com namespace. If it is done from a mobile phone you can bet that they will give more weight down the road to domains in the .tel namespace. There are some search engines that gave more weight to .mobi for a period of time however that backfired since the results it produced where .mobi cash parking pages. I could name at least 5 complelling reasons why search enigne algorithms for cell phones will change to give weight to dot tel. Quote:
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Definitely true and a very important observation. Lawyer Calgary Calgary Lawyer Lawyer in Calgary Lawyers in Calgary Search terms like this is what people type in when doing a search for a local service. The way Google acts when something like this is typed in is it looks in the domain for these words first and gives weight accordingly. If the search is done on Google.ca it gives more weight to domains in the .ca namespace. If it is done on Google.com it gives more weight to the domains in the .com namespace. If it is done from a mobile phone you can bet that they will give more weight down the road to domains in the .tel namespace. There are some search engines that gave more weight to .mobi for a period of time however that backfired since the results it produced where .mobi cash parking pages. I could name at least 5 complelling reasons why search enigne algorithms for cell phones will change to give weight to dot tel.[/size] |
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I guess you should have specified that on your first post so that people will not get confused as if it is something for real. Estimates/questimates from individuals is different from authoritative sources. Quote: [/size]
LOL you mean you know everything that no one knows? (I am sorry but that is what it sounds like, i mean your statement).[/size] |
Quote: Originally Posted by RonMunson This 25% is my questimate. I guess you should have specified that on your first post so that people will not get confused as if it is something for real. Estimates/questimates from individuals is different from authoritative sources. Quote: Originally Posted by RonMunson if there is anyone in the wold to ask about search engine marketing it would be me. I run tests on hundreds of occassions with hundreds of industries. LOL you mean you know everything that no one knows? (I am sorry but that is what it sounds like, i mean your statement). ------------------------------------------- Quote:
I guess I was assuming everyone would figure that out. Algorithms are always evolving and no search engine publically gives out these figures. No one should ever assume that authoritative (Google/Microsoft/Yahoo) figures will be given out since that would allow people to cheat search engines. I know things because I run these tests on hundreds of occassions with hundreds of industries. How many people do you know do this for a living and have done the same testing? I guess I'm jumping to conclusions again saying that I don't think there are many. If there is someone that would dispute it, I'll will prove them wrong or eat my words. ;)[/size] |