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Why would anyone use TelPages ??? New link and post at telpagesplus.com: Why should I use telpages and encourage others to do the same ? Something everyone should realize. |
Telpages is just another search engine. It is not yet a true search for people and businesses, as it does not use structured results, but simple search engine results, similar to Yahoo or Google. That is certainly not how TEL shall be searched and presented. You search for police station in London, you shall get: Police Station Address ZIP, London Phone number Website Something like that. Like a phone book. Not like a search engine for websites. |
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Actually, it does use structured results. If the title/domain match is not found, it then searches subdomains and content for relevance. Structure always comes first when it is there, and it will be more often, as more register. Search for "chris" and you see many structured results. Search for "dogs" and you see many results that are Google style. It is both, but it is DEFINITELY NOT just another search engine ! Great job Telnic ! The best is yet to come ! :)[/size] |
Sorry, but yet I have to show you what type of search TelPages shall become. Click here: http://anywho.yellowpages.com/name/S...erms=st.+louis Like this: http://www.teldomaintel.com/images/s...-Phonebook.jpg As TEL domains, are contact informations. So, there are important aspects to consider for such a search engine: 1. By average and majority of users, somebody in Australia will not be interested for auto parts from United States, or India; the search must be localized, that much, to offer local results based on the IP address location of the user, and give to user still options to search world wide; 2. TEL domains have structured information: contact information, phone number, fax number, emails, addresses; right now Telpages.com behaves like yet another search engine searching for content instead for particular information which people need: contact information, addresses, businesses, people; 3. Results must be given in a structured way, like shown above. Most of all, TEL domains are advertised as a global phone book. THINK Do you call your local phone book information service by phone, and you say on phone "I am searching for Chris", and they give you result like this: "Christopher Bird I am currently in Fiji and have limited contact to email and phone services. Christopher Bird, Chris, pomki, CJRB, cjrbird, , contact, bird, email, telephone Contact Chris Bird" That is simply NONSENSE. The phone book information service will ask you "Chriss, where?", "Do you know his last name?" and you would get exact results based on location and other factors. And that is what Telpages shall do in the future: sort all Google Maps locations into database of locations, all addresses into locations, and use the IP address of the user to give customized results. That is what Google does for content based web sites. Telpages shall do similar, only give truly localized and structured results. Like on the image above. |
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Yes I would expect the results to include contact information too and not just the .tel urls[/size] |
The point was simply that telpages DOES have structured results. "Chris" was simply used to show an example due to the registrations to date. The names with more information such as "chris smith" and "cardinal roofing" was simply not used because telpages doesn't have registrations to show a comparison yet. Here's the point: Do a side by side search with a name or a business as a comparison with Google. "chris" or "cardinal" So, with "chris" or "cardinal" one can easily see the difference between results. telpages IS structured to show GOOD results vs. Google's results, showing that telpages is MUCH better at doing what it is focused on doing. AS FOR CONTACT information like YellowPages, sure, if what you are looking for has the NEED for geography, otherwise it is a USELESS EYESORE. If I shop on Amazon for auto parts and a store gives me the best price for auto parts including shipping, I couldn't care less WHERE it was located. Same with ANYTHING I was looking for that didn't require my actually going there. As MILLIONS of Businesses do business on the Internet, "WHERE" is pointless. The same is true for "Individuals". If I am looking for People, I couldn't care less WHERE they are at any given moment in their life, only WHO they are and how THEY prefer I contact them. As more registrations of Businesses and Individuals are included in telpages, and as things change many times such as "where", or "telephone numbers", or "email addresses" --- telpages understands that ONE thing always stays the same ... the NAME of the business or individual ! The other associations like "where", "telephone", "email", etc. are left where they often change, as an ATTACHMENT to the NAME. The Name is ALWAYS the correct PRIMARY focus regardless of attachments. Google - BAD at names. YellowPages - BAD at changes Telpages - GREAT at both As telpages progresses and people get used to the reality of how things really are instead of what they are used to this will become clear. Again, GREAT job Telnic ... The best is yet to come ! |
No questions about the usability and value of Telpages.Com -- it is great tool for searching. There is misunderstanding on what I mean with "structured results" -- so rather see the picture above. That kind of result is what people do expect of a phone book search engine. I assume that Telpages.Com will become such a search engine. I find this thread rather important for improvement of effectiveness of Telpages.Com. There are MANY examples which will work. Because when you KNOW what you search, you get the expected results. But let me show you some examples, which currently don't work: See this search on Telpages for wedding photographer in Florida, ZERO results: http://d0.telpages.com/search_form.a...edding+florida Try this one on Google: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=&oq=&gs_rfai= Try Anywho: http://anywho.yellowpages.com/catego...er?from=AnyWho Summary: Telpages -- ZERO results; Google -- assumes photographer is a result, even if there is no "wedding" on his page (correct), Anywho - by far the best results with direct addresses and phone numbers. ANOTHER TEST, we search for web design missouri Telpages, first result is irrelevant to web design, 2nd result is relevant, and other 3 results are irrelevant: http://d0.telpages.com/search_form.a...esign+missouri Google, first result is relevant, 2nd is questionable, there are no more other irrelevant results: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=&oq=&gs_rfai= Anywho -- CORRECT! http://anywho.yellowpages.com/MO/Web...rms=web+design That Telpages.Com are usable tool, sure, Telpages.com is usable. But it gives content based results, lacks the intelligence like Google and lacks the true features of a phone book based results, like Anywho. If you see how Anywho has ordered the results by categories, by locations, that is how I expect Telpages to behave in the future. TEL domains are contact information entries, they shall be treated as such. |
Yeah, ok, so let's see: We already said telpages will need more registrations, and everything you said relates to that. In addition, let me reiterate another point: Quote:
Nothing you're attempting to search by can't be done in telpages better. "more registrations" and "clearer understanding of how things are" is all that's needed. :)[/size] |
There are a couple of orthogonal issues being discussed here: 1- The data content in .tel domains, which directly impacts relevance calculations and results. Obviously the more data in .tel domains, the better search results will be and the better the user experience. 2- The presentation of said content in the results listings. We elected to display why a listing was present in the search result by showing the relevant parts of the indexed content. We can also let the user's browser in real-time retrieve the actual latest data from the domain and display it in a structured way (Phone:.... , Address:....). We're experimenting with a number of different interfaces. |
This afternoon I introduced telpages.com to a group of individuals with no knowledge of .tel or telpages.com The "test" was this and they knew only my name and were looking at me. "Using your mobile phone, you need to reach me. Do it." They could not using Google or YellowPages or Others they knew of, so I continued. "Using your mobile phone, you need to reach me. Do it. This time I will say only this in addition: telpages.com" My cellphone in my pocket rang about 1-2 minutes later. They were able to search for me using only my name and contact me accordingly. They were amazed how easy telpages.com was, and loved the click to connect to any of the contact links made available. The biggest concern was as follows: "I was unsure which was you in the results, a picture is needed in the results." Suggestions that "text fingerprints" of address, keywords, etc. are of value were quickly dismissed as many had no idea what they were to be of any value anyway. I informed them of the computer based telproxy inclusion of the photo/logo and they were impressed. One found the telWings inclusion of tel-Photo as the way they would identify me, but that they had to dig beyond the results to get to that. I said to them "You knew my name and my face so this was of value to you in identifying the correct one, others may know only something textual and the name and picture mean nothing, or the address means nothing, or the keywords mean nothing. It will always take a little digging to find the correct one, but, the digging is always only one or two clicks away and in the same format, not pages and pages deep like other search results and websites." They agreed that "digging" would always be necessary unless ALL information was provided in the results. I additionally showed them a Business version that included more telWings features: Dish-TV.tel They were amazed by the additions of the Greeting, Video, Ratings, etc., and proclaimed that this would be an amazing directory if people and businesses all used telpages.com I assured them it is the goal. Overall they were very impressed and proclaimed telpages.com and the .tel page as a VERY significant advance over both Google and YellowPages. |
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I assumed there is at least a consideration.[/size] |
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It is a great success story.[/size] |
TelPages was designed before the logos. Clearly adding A HREFs to the logos so that they display on the side of the results is a good thing, with the negative being the significantly larger data transfers. But we've got ideas on how to do this for the mobiles. |
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It would definitely be a benefit if it could be done as such, great to hear.[/size] |
Hmm, let me see: A million of TEL pages' logos of 40 KB each, could be saved on an inexpensive 50 GB hard disk, on the first request, it could be resized and squashed, and served through TELNIC proxy, over the same TEL domain. Simple solution to implement, great impact on a network and loading time. But the true solution would be to offer some web space for those logos, as that is not too much asked. Than ALL of the .TEL domains could have resized logo of 78x78 automatically. And logos would be served from the same server name or TEL domain, not asking for additional DNS requests. For 10 millions of TEL pages, the caching of such logos is still piece of cake, even for a single entrepreneur. Look at this: http://www.telnic.org.nyud.net/ -- first load, than automatic speedup, on a free content delivery network. Software for automatic speedup is even free: http://www.coralcdn.org/download/ And all it requires is few more servers to setup all over the world, to make speed better for end users. TELNIC certainly can afford 10 more servers. Right now I know TELs are served from Germany even if requested from Panama. How about this one: http://www.telpagesplus.com.nyud.net Learn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_delivery_network How about this one? http://danga.com/perlbal/ There are so many solutions easy and too cheap to implement, and it is up to TELNIC to find time to finish all the tasks and consider also speeding up the TEL system in general. |
Telpages 2010: Is there a plan? Hello Telnic I was demonstrating Telpages on a web presentation this afternoon to a handfull of directory candidates. They loved the look and they were extremely impressed at how my sites were at the top of the listings. We went through a bunch of the technology and did several very successful searches. The last question that I was asked was a simple one: "I can see that your directories rank very well in Telpages and we would get a lot of exposure in a Telpages search. How are people going to find Telpages. I had never heard of it prior to today" I actually stumbled through it and answered the question but the truth is, I had no idea. I am not asking to gripe, I just need to know what to tell clients. Is there a plan in place to promote Telpages? |
It is clear that there is marketing for Telpages, see, it is marketed on Google: www.telpages.com&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?num=30&...=&oq=&gs_rfai= A joke. Don't show that to your business partners. |
Well once the telpages search box on .tel domains who allows it, gets back on many .tel domains, more people will start to use the search. Since it will be easy to find. Once people start to use the search, teldomains will take off. |
Telnic? If the answer is "we have no plans" or "none of your business" or "we will announce soon" any reply would be great. As I mentioned before, I am not complaining but I cant keep logging onto the forum 5 times a day looking for some new tidbit of news. By the way, an acceptable answer is "shut up and quit asking" |
fyi - it's featured in the april newsletter. hopefully there is a big pr push coming soon too... |
