Telnames.tel - interesting site...

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Telnames.tel - interesting site...

by Telnic 2015-01-02, 5:41 am

mikeseaton

04-04-2012 12:08 AM

Telnames.tel - interesting site...

...for a company called Telnames Limited formed on 16 December 2010 by Kash and Fiona - see http://Telnames.tel

Trying to work out the significance of this to the .tel project !

Any ideas anyone ?

Mike Seaton

PS. Note the password-protected site name that comes after "powered by" on Kash and Fiona

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-04-2012 12:26 AM

Maybe they will start selling domains since Telnic as registrar cannot. Should be a positive.
Mark

mikeseaton

04-04-2012 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 21707)
Maybe they will start selling domains since Telnic as registrar cannot. Should be a positive.

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Yes I agree that seems a likely purpose - wouldn't be surprised though if some of the existing .tel registrars cry foul to ICANN given that the 2 directors of Telnames Limited are the CEO and CFO of Telnic the registry.

Mike Seaton[/size]

TELcp

04-04-2012 04:22 AM

All the g3 template sites (yourbusiness.tel type) are using telhosting from them.
Probably selling .tel domains at a premium price and offering value added services such as choice of templates, all-in-one CTH etc.

I am not surprised.

The site is either still under construction or restricted to selected group of companie(s) / individual(s).

TELcp

04-04-2012 04:32 AM

If they do open up for the general public I have only one suggestion.

Please consider offering different levels of pricing structure and increase the number of folders for a single domain accordingly.

Thank you very much.

mikeseaton

04-04-2012 01:41 PM

http://Telnames.tel actually gives quite a lot of information about the coming Telnames operation.

Quote:

About Telnames
Telnames is the UK based specialist distributor of the award winning .tel domain. Telnames is the trading name for Telnames Limited, incorporated in England with registration number 7471889.

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Quote:
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Buy your .tel name now
http://telnames.com/purchase-a-tel/

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Quote:
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Payment Methods
Visa, Mastercard, American Express, and Paypal

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It does make sense to split off the pure registry function of Telnic with the hosting and template production that seems to be implied by Telnames.

Of course if the Telnames launch were to be synchronised with the buyout of Telnic by a major player that would be a win-win situation for many:

- the Telnic shareholders would get a good return for their investment
- the Telnic staff would have a secure future within a major organisation
- Kash and Fiona would be free to run Telnames without any potential charge of "conflict of interest"
- software developers would see an increasing user base which would encourage new development
- domain investors would see a reason now to "keep the faith" for longer
- the tel extension would finally become the world leader we all know it was designed to be

We live in interesting times - Bring it on !

Mike Seaton[/size]

supercyberheroes

04-05-2012 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeseaton (Post 21735)
http://Telnames.tel actually gives quite a lot of information about the coming Telnames operation.

It does make sense to split off the pure registry function of Telnic with the hosting and template production that seems to be implied by Telnames.

Of course if the Telnames launch were to be synchronised with the buyout of Telnic by a major player that would be a win-win situation for many:

- the Telnic shareholders would get a good return for their investment
- the Telnic staff would have a secure future within a major organisation
- Kash and Fiona would be free to run Telnames without any potential charge of "conflict of interest"
- software developers would see an increasing user base which would encourage new development
- domain investors would see a reason now to "keep the faith" for longer
- the tel extension would finally become the world leader we all know it was designed to be

We live in interesting times - Bring it on !

Mike Seaton

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Mike sometime you are pessimist but sometime you are realist and optimist like right now, bring it on, hope distance are 100% for the good of everyone

Regards

By the way your net-link has been slow

http://businessdirect.tel
http://supercyberheroes.tel[/size]

mikeseaton

04-08-2012 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by supercyberheroes (Post 21801)
Mike sometime you are pessimist but sometime you are realist and optimist...

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Yes true - .tel is probably the most difficult domain investment to read correctly right now.

It could obtain "critical mass" and have as much effect on the way we communicate as the introduction of the telephone - or alternatively could end up as "the best invention the internet never had" with forum members losing the money and time spent.

All I do know is that 2012 is crunch point - I certainly don't subscribe to the view that .tel will drift along for years and then suddenly everyone will "get it" - the internet doesn't work like that any more !

Mike Seaton[/size]

TELcp

04-08-2012 06:17 PM

More info on Telnames
http://goo.gl/DPhpb

tel4rent

04-08-2012 08:27 PM

Any idea what would be the price for buying a .tel domain via telnames?
Will we be able to use their services for free?
How will we use the new features if our registrar i different than telnames?

TELcp

04-08-2012 08:29 PM

Dig in little bit more.
You might find the answers.

mikeseaton

04-08-2012 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TELcp (Post 21904)
More info on Telnames
http://goo.gl/DPhpb

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So whose template do you use if you want to use subdomains ?

Not Telnames - at least on the evidence available !

Perhaps you just stick with what you already have ?

Mike Seaton[/size]

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-08-2012 11:03 PM

A few more ...
http://simondrakephotography.tel/
http://ajay.tel/
http://chip.tel/
Mark

mikeseaton

04-08-2012 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 21929)
A few more ...
http://simondrakephotography.tel/
http://ajay.tel/
http://chip.tel/

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And not a subdomain anywhere to be seen !

Obviously big changes are due in the .tel set up with the launch of Telnames.

I just wish they'd get on with it so we can start planning what we need to do - it may be that domain transfers become imperative to get access to the template you want ?

Mike Seaton[/size]

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-09-2012 12:08 AM

I feel we are in these chicken and egg situations....

Telnic wants registrars to sell more .tel domains.
Registrars need something exciting to sell with lots of marketing.

Telnic is waiting for us to make use of what they offer.
We are waiting for more features to be make better use of this platform.

Telnic wants developers to provide more services.
Developers want Telnic to listen and participate in proactive testing.

Telnic is unhappy with above situations and creates Telnames to sell their original concept.
Telnames wont be able to sell because original concept is too sparse in this new age.

It's just a perpetual round-about with Telnic in control and won't let anyone off to advance to the next level?

Mark

mikeseaton

04-09-2012 12:32 AM

Mark, sounds a very logical summary, many on this forum will be concerned if it turns out to be accurate !

As well as the missing subdomains, there is of course the matter of the missing AdSense ads as well ?

Surely they must be able to be placed somewhere on the new http://YourBusiness.tel template ?

Why are we being kept in the dark about all this - or do Telnic feel they don't need software developers and domain investors to be involved any more ?

Big mistake IMO - all successful internet developments need an ecosystem - ask Apple and Microsoft !

Mike Seaton

TELcp

04-09-2012 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeseaton (Post 21916)
So whose template do you use if you want to use subdomains ?
Not Telnames - at least on the evidence available !
Perhaps you just stick with what you already have ?
Mike Seaton

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I would wait n see what happens next.
IMO, the .tel will die a natural death without sub domains.

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TELcp

04-09-2012 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 21932)
I feel we are in these chicken and egg situations....

Telnic wants registrars to sell more .tel domains.
Registrars need something exciting to sell with lots of marketing.

Telnic is waiting for us to make use of what they offer.
We are waiting for more features to be make better use of this platform.

Telnic wants developers to provide more services.
Developers want Telnic to listen and participate in proactive testing.

Telnic is unhappy with above situations and creates Telnames to sell their original concept.
Telnames wont be able to sell because original concept is too sparse in this new age.

It's just a perpetual round-about with Telnic in control and won't let anyone off to advance to the next level?

Mark

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100% with you.
My partners and I see the present situation exactly as what you see.

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TELcp

04-09-2012 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TELcp (Post 21914)
Dig in little bit more.
You might find the answers.

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What I meant was, for other to check the WHOIS records of those .tel domains.
And see who is the registrar, nameservers etc.

Cheers![/size]

Geo	04-09-2012 08:14 AM

Look, there's no way that Telnic can take away subdomains, or the promised templates, and save face. They cannot move backwards; only forwards. I don't mind if they add even more templates and features at an additional cost, but no additional cost for the present feature set (promised 3 templates included) is justified or acceptable... unless they want to be seen as a bait and switch operation.

I don't view them as such, and still give them the benefit of the doubt, but the lack of transparency and openness leads to negative speculation which is corrosive to public relations and the Tel brand as a whole. Trust and certainty are key ingredients in a delicious Tel recipe.

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Re: Telnames.tel - interesting site...

by Telnic 2015-01-02, 5:41 am

Blunderer

04-09-2012 01:19 PM

All your communications under one name:

All the ways of reaching you are now under a simple name that's impossible to forget - YourName.tel. Customers and friends can now contact you from any device connected to the internet.

Join the world's only Real-Time Global Directory:

YourCompany.tel offers you an entry into the first global directory, allowing you to own and control all your contact information and update it in real time whenever you wish.
In contrast with existing directory services that are highly fragmented and expensive, .tel provides worldwide coverage for only a fraction of the cost.

FREE APPS - Update From Anywhere:

Use the FREE .tel apps to update and manage your .tel from a variety of devices including iPhone,
BlackBerry, Windows Mobile and others.

mikeseaton

04-09-2012 06:04 PM

Blunderer, shouldn't there be quote marks in the above - I presume it's copied verbatim from one of Telnic's pages ?

Reading what you say it does sound very tempting to a newbie - so why on earth hasn't .tel taken off like wildfire in the last 3 years ?

Is it just lack of marketing - or is there some deep-seated other reason - such as the ability to create Facebook and Google Places "sites" for nothing ?

We in the business know the danger of building your brand promotion under a Facebook or Google Places URL - they could at any time turn round and impose punitive charges and/or conditions - but it doesn't seem to worry most people.

I was out driving the other day and was following a lorry that belonged to the UK's biggest supermarket group and it had signwriting on it with the URL https://www.facebook.com/Tesco - so if they're not worried about losing control it hardly seems likely that small businesses give it much thought.

I wish the new http://Telnames.tel setup all the luck in the world - I'm just struggling to identify how the quantum leap in registrations to achieve the essential "critical mass" is going to be achieved.

I hope Telnic / Telnames have some grand master plan about to revealed - we should know in the next few days !

When they go public with their plans it's decision time for .tel investors who will either dump .tels in the tens of thousands or join the daily pick-up party to stock up from those who no longer "keep the faith".

Mike Seaton

dottel.net

04-09-2012 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeseaton (Post 21967)
I was out driving the other day and was following a lorry that belonged to the UK's biggest supermarket group and it had signwriting on it with the URL https://www.facebook.com/Tesco - so if they're not worried about losing control it hardly seems likely that small businesses give it much thought.

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exactly - that's been a big concern of mine hence reason i think the great idea of a central point of contact which you own and brand doesn't work with the masses. that's not been the reason I've been buying and using .tel's

Its the out of the box seo that I find most valuable. for under $10 you can't go wrong with that![/size]

mikeseaton

04-09-2012 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dottel.net (Post 21969)
Its the out of the box seo that I find most valuable. for under $10 you can't go wrong with that!

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Agreed - for software developers like those of us on the forum it's an SEO bargain - trouble is there's not millions of us to get .tel to "critical mass" !

I assume you're banking on subdomains staying - it seems pretty clear from all the evidence that the new template being launched byhttp://Telnames.tel is a single point of contact ONE page domain - which is more or less what the original concept of .tel was.

I haven't checked but from memory the original .tel promo videos didn't show the use of subdomains - even though they were available from the start.

It may be that http://Telnames.tel will offer to handle the CTH for registrars if they wish - some registrars seem to have great difficulty remembering to renew their secure server certificates - others may think that handling telhosting themselves is not worth it given the volumes involved.

I think that to succeed in the marketplace (assuming that full-blown marketing is going to take place) .tel needs to give out a consistent message.

So either it's the ONE-page business/personal single point of contact OR it's an easy-to-build MULTI-page (ie. subdomains) seo-friendly setup like we have now.

My guess is that http://Telnames.tel is going for the former and the latter will be gradually phased out in the next year or so.

Perhaps Telnic / Telnames could clarify the situation so we all know where we stand !

Mike Seaton[/size]

dottel.net

04-09-2012 06:37 PM

i agree with most of what you say except the part about the latter getting phased out.
Don't see that ever happening, it may be likely the old templates won't get any 'new' features but from my perspective i'm happy with the way it is now as it works for my needs.

any template they provide won't bridge the gap towards what i really need, only a custom built template designed for large directories would suffice. if there's enough interest and a paying market, i can see such a template (with built in reviews, coupons, etc ala what the online directories offer today) being offered one day.

p.s. you can already do that on your own subdomain, something i first demonstrated nearly three years ago with the very first custom proxy but it works best without having it hanging off another subdomain

Blunderer

04-09-2012 11:04 PM

Mike, you win the prize for paying attention - I should have indicated that it was a quote.

Telnic have delivered on all points and SHOULD now be pushing individual ownership.

Until .tel becomes VERY VERY popular with individuals I don't think large or small businesses will be interested in ownership. I only know of two local firms that use .tel and they have not integrated it into their overall web presence:

www.ashfords.tel

www.swcomms.tel

The line that my eye keeps coming back to is "In contrast with existing directory services that are highly fragmented".

They may be highly fragmented but they have a common theme - yellow (or white), or a strong brand (118118 for number enquiries in the UK), and always - consistency of minimum content.

We have the basis for a strong brand - Telpages (or Telnames) (or even just Telnic!) and we have Telnic's colour scheme, but we don't use them, and most content is barely adequate, and certainly not consistent. Also, the domain names are now so scattered to the winds that trying to build a brand portfolio is difficult, and all the time people are demanding MORE diversity!

Where's the future in it?

mikeseaton

04-09-2012 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blunderer (Post 21983)
Telnic.....SHOULD now be pushing individual ownership.

Until .tel becomes VERY VERY popular with individuals I don't think large or small businesses will be interested in ownership.

....common theme - yellow (or white), or a strong brand (118118 for number enquiries in the UK), and always - consistency of minimum content.

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Blunderer, I must admit that since http://Telnames.tel was discovered I'm coming round to the idea of .tel going back to its roots and being a SIMPLE and FAST single point of contact medium.

I - like many others - have used the seo-friendly subdomain structure to generate traffic for my .com sites and also AdSense revenue from the .tel.

BUT if I look at the big picture I just don't think there will ever be enough people who appreciate this feature to move .tel anywhere near the "critical mass" it needs so the DNS contains enough data for software developers to start reading this to generate online phone directories etc.

So I think the ONE page approach of http://Telnames.tel is the last throw of the dice for .tel - though I do appreciate Mark's view that he considers it's not enough of an offering it today's advanced world.

I'm going to wait for the Telnic / Telnames announcement about what's going on and then make up my mind whether to quit the .tel project or not.

I need to spend more time on developing http://www.BoatSearchEngine.com into the largest boat search site in the world (currently 44,000 boats) so I'm actually pretty flexible now about whether or not I quit the .tel project - though to sell my portfolio athttp://www.domains123.com/names.asp?ext=.tel cheaply and/or let expire would be a bit of a shame.

Let's wait and see what this week brings from Telnic / Telnames ?

Mike Seaton[/size]

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-10-2012 12:29 AM

As @dottel said, Telnic cannot drop subdomains. It's the most powerful SEO technique available for long tail search. A very easy and competitive way for any SMB to get ahead in search. So that has to stay. Next, businesses need multiple subdomains for various products and services. Finally as an internal contact directory organized by division, countries, departments that is the single point of contact for any large organization. All that can't disappear because Telnic wants to go back to a pure concept that didn't sell. I look forward to what Telnames has to offer. If it's all about simple marketing, excellent.

Mark

Geo	04-10-2012 04:00 AM

Subdirectories are here to stay - no doubt about that in my mind. Telnames is a test platform for some key features, namely, background photos, image galleris, videos, and collapsable subsections. We shouldn't assume it means the end of subdirectories or the end of the 3 winning templates. Beside Telnic has said that the 3 are still coming... and it would be a PR disaster for Telnic if they broke that promise now.

As for subdirectories... let's not forget the special attention and promotion which Telnic gave to Tel directories just recently in their newsletter... it therefore makes no sense to think that they want to discontinue or phase out subdirectories. Moreover, doing so would spell the end of Tel in terms of business useage. Secondly, it would destroy the value of thousands of generic Tels, such as geos and topical Tels such as wineries.Tel. Moreover, who wants to scroll down a list of 80 or 90 contact points that would be much better organized by subdirectoy. Finally, we can still see the simple and obvious application of subdirectories in the example of Telnic's own Henri.Tel... which incidentally has done great in the Google Serps.

If Telnic want to push to individuals then they have to make the security, email, and other functions dead easy to use. Secondly, they have to have a rich variety of templates and bells and whistles to offer and appeal to all kinds of people and with more customization options being better... I would even go so far as to say that they should overwhelm with customization options, making Tel like really attractive to the average teenager who now is enamored with Facebook. This is the only way in my humble opinion to really boost the number of Tels to the moon.

Most large businesses do not need Tel - they already have a well branded website with an obvious contact us button as well as the budget and savvy to be ranked well in Google. Smaller niche businesses could benefit from the SEO factor. But the real goal again imho must be to attract every Tom, Dick, and Harry who feels the slightest need or desire to connect online socially.

To that end, Tel has to market itself as ultra simple and ultra secure in terms of private data. I don't use Tel for personal contact data, because anyone who I would want to know that info will find out anyways by my emailing them. Then again, I don't use Facebook, or any Social networking tool either. But hundreds of millions of people are Facebook members.

I think that Tel in general has to appeal to the thousands of smaller niche social networks, rather than the few mega players. In other words, they have to go after the long tail just as we do in gathering traffic. This goes back to my other thread in the dream section... provide a platform for the international world of smaller social networks to make a splash and gain a presence.

Tel will get nowhere by dealing with the biggies. However, if Tel gets thousands of smallies behind them then they will become a biggie and the existing biggies including the Telcos and Skypes will have some real competition on their hands for the central hub position.

Tel has to think BIG... not just in technological terms, but in social terms... they have to play the viral factor to their advantage. Snuggling up only to the biggies isn't going to go anywhere, but to be buried in obscurity. Rather Tel has to become the hub of all the niches, and provide a neat, simple, and fun way to not only discover those niche networks, but to also plug in and showcase them somehow.

Right now Telnic showcases the Tel of the week... they need to partner up and showcase the social networks of the week too... and of course provide the icons to match.

Blunderer

04-10-2012 01:08 PM

There has been no announcement about Telnames, 'so we don't actually know what the purpose is. We all have test sites, and don't shout about them. Until I hear to the contrary I am ignoring Telnames and sticking with what I have at present.

That brings me back to the Global, Real Time Directory - which everyone ignores (except me and Telrific).

I gained the impression that personal uptake of .tel was quite good (there are always some in the drops!) but there has been no promotion of the means to find those personal registrations - Telpages.

Instead, everyone has been focussed on trying to replicate the features of a website, and how to gain the approbation of Google. As a result, most current content is of poor, temporary quality, and paralysis has set in.

Properly utilised, .tel and Telpages (or Telnames) could relegate Google and the like, to the status of reference libraries (historic pictures and lengthy text and newspapers/blogs - website based) with .tel dominating the real time contact and direct communication field. Advertisers will then seek us out.

A generic keyword may have good SEO properties but they won't be around if the .tel brand fails because the quality of content in Geo sites is poor, or nobody knows how to find a persons contact details.

We have our own search engine - let us build to that strength, and shout about it.

mikeseaton

04-10-2012 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blunderer (Post 21997)
...about Telnames, so we don't actually know what the purpose is.

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Yes we do !

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Originally Posted by mikeseaton (Post 21877)
One thing is absolutely clear if you look at http://Telnames.tel - they will be selling .tels direct to end users, and with Telnames Limited being founded by the CEO and CFO of Telnic, will be calling the shots re .tel registrations for the future.

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We know that the ONLY template they appear to be testing is a ONE page one - see http://www.google.com/search?q=%22po...elnames.com%22

We know that Telnames will be offering TelHosting - see https://manage.telnames.com/g3/login.action

What we don't know is what will happen to the current templates (hopefully nothing), the 3 design competition winning templates (perhaps abandoned), or how existing registrars will fit into the new Telnames setup ?

Telnic / Telnames could clear up the uncertainty with a statement setting out the key facts as .tel enters a new era. I hope they do this very soon.

Mike Seaton[/size]

maximka

04-10-2012 05:08 PM

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Blunderer

04-10-2012 05:39 PM

I had not seen the login screen. The evidence is mounting!

Geo	04-10-2012 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blunderer (Post 21997)
There has been no announcement about Telnames, 'so we don't actually know what the purpose is. We all have test sites, and don't shout about them. Until I hear to the contrary I am ignoring Telnames and sticking with what I have at present.

That brings me back to the Global, Real Time Directory - which everyone ignores (except me and Telrific).

I gained the impression that personal uptake of .tel was quite good (there are always some in the drops!) but there has been no promotion of the means to find those personal registrations - Telpages.

Instead, everyone has been focussed on trying to replicate the features of a website, and how to gain the approbation of Google. As a result, most current content is of poor, temporary quality, and paralysis has set in.

Properly utilised, .tel and Telpages (or Telnames) could relegate Google and the like, to the status of reference libraries (historic pictures and lengthy text and newspapers/blogs - website based) with .tel dominating the real time contact and direct communication field. Advertisers will then seek us out.

A generic keyword may have good SEO properties but they won't be around if the .tel brand fails because the quality of content in Geo sites is poor, or nobody knows how to find a persons contact details.

We have our own search engine - let us build to that strength, and shout about it.

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Blunderer, I have to respectfully disagree with you. Some day Tel may indeed become the global directory, but it isn't anywhere near that now. I will not go looking for anyone via Tel, and likely won't for at least another 5 years... because quite simply, there are not enough people who even know about Tel, let alone have a Tel presence.

I'm not arguing against the global directory ideal... I'm just arguing that the only way to reach that ideal is to attract people with a product that offers them something exciting and fulfilling right now. Why should the average person pay $10 to $20 for a Tel presence when they can have a presence for free in one of the other global directories already out there - namely, Facebook and Google? Businesses don't need Tel pages - they already have their contact us web presence as well as Google maps, etc. Almost every website now has a Facebook button or a Google + button. Tel cannot compete with that simply by promoting its technical promise.

So the question is really - how can Tel attract millions of people and by virtue of its popularity mount a serious technical challenge? If tens of millions of people have a Tel, then perhaps Tel will have a chance of supplanting Google and Facebook.[/size]

mikeseaton

04-10-2012 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geo (Post 22013)
... because quite simply, there are not enough people who even know about Tel, let alone have a Tel presence.

...Businesses don't need Tel pages - they already have their contact us web presence as well as Google maps, etc. Almost every website now has a Facebook button or a Google + button. Tel cannot compete with that simply by promoting its technical promise.

So the question is really - how can Tel attract millions of people and by virtue of its popularity mount a serious technical challenge? If tens of millions of people have a Tel, then perhaps Tel will have a chance of supplanting Google and Facebook...

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@Geo

I note a dose of realism coming into your posts - I went through that stage several months ago !

I still believe in the "Data in the DNS" principle of .tel - the idea that data is stored once on the web and then accessed by all the different services that need it is obviously a sensible and "free of duplicate data discrepancies" way to operate.

But the problem is that most don't know about .tel, even less have given any thought about storing/updating data in one place that everyone accesses.

I, along with many others on this forum, have spent a large amount of money and time on the .tel revolution that Telnic seemed to promise.

We are now at the "last chance saloon" as far as the .tel vision is concerned and I hope that the revised approach offered byhttp://Telnames.tel will have mass appeal.

Once "critical mass" is reached everything else will naturally fall into place.

So we all need to give the maximum support to the http://Telnames.tel venture with it's single point of contact one page template - but we can't do that if Telnic / Telnames won't come clean with us over what their plans are !

Forum members have been incredibly loyal (albeit constructively critical) with the .tel project - it's now time for Telnic / Telnames to help us help them.

I hope we will get a "state of .tel" post from Telnic / Telnames tomorrow - or do they wish forum members to just give up on the .tel project ?

We all have limits of patience - mine (and I would imagine a few others) is getting pretty close !

Mike Seaton[/size]

Geo	04-10-2012 09:44 PM

Pretty much agree Mike.

The single point of contact issue is important and seems to offer some challenge in terms of fitting in with the concept of Tel directories. They are definitely two different animals. But Telnic hasn't really come down against the use of Tel for directories; rather they have been pretty supportive, so I can't see a 180 happening on that. That said, it doesn't mean that they will put in the effort and features to make it easier for directory builders. The Telnames product may be geared totally to single identity Tels... which is fair enough - and shouldn't really be a surprise to directory builders, who are the minority.

In any case, though, I can't see them scrapping subdirectories, even for single point of contact Tels. They may be heading towards a multi-tiered approach with different pricing (to go along with different limits and features)... which is fair as well.

But, even for the single point of contact side of Tel, they definitely need to spruce up the offering to make it fun and engaging for individuals to play with their Tels... and quite honestly, I think Telnic does see this (although I wish they would acknowledge it openly). They are certainly bringing in new value added features in the form of videos, image gallery and backgrounds... hopefully that is just a first taste of what is to come. I can see people getting excited to own a Tel if it let's them drag and drop cute little images and widgets onto their Tel, customize their backgrounds with photo collages, etc.

Simon G

04-12-2012 12:18 AM

If anyone is going to the bstartup event then
You may be interested in stand 667.
http://www.bstartup.com/exhibitors/i...s-limited.html
Telnames folk it may be worth checking out the phone number at the bottom of the page missing a crucial "l"
Mike
Quote:

Let's wait and see what this week brings from Telnic / Telnames ?

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what makes you so sure something's coming this week? I've not found any info suggesting this.

Hypothesis aside I personally think its a bit early for anyone to be thinking telnames is going to be no sub domains. They have not even launched / made a press release yet.

The third party tools are great but for the mainstream public .tel
Needs to have everything integrated hopefully telnames will provide this.
I'm pleased to see tel moving in the correct direction and someone outwith telchina starting to work on the display and work at integrating images for .tel perhaps by the end of the year you will be able to purchase a .tel and add images, a back drop, video and email straight of the shelf.

Blunderer I also am interested in the .tel realtime data potential but for this to be truly "real time" applications need to be integrated which allow .tel to be updated automatically if a human needs to be relied on to manually update a .tel then it is not quite realtime.
These apps could work on times,calendars, gps, events and potentially real world sensors.

Slightly off thread but has anyone come across ifttt.com would live to see them integrate .tel with there platform.[/size]

mikeseaton

04-12-2012 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simon G (Post 22034)
If anyone is going to the bstartup event then
You may be interested in stand 667.

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Great find Simon, puts even more flesh on the bones (without the official announcement we are waitng for) of what http://Telnames.telwill be offering.

To quote your link http://www.bstartup.com/exhibitors/i...s-limited.html and Telnames sales pitch:
Quote:
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We’ve simplified the process of buying, setting up and managing your own place online. There are no hidden costs and everything you need to publish your information is included in one small annual fee of £14.95.

Telnames provides just what you need, and nothing you don’t.

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So they will be charging £14.95 per year - $23.80 at current exchange rates - which is over 100% greater than most of us pay out for our .tel domains !

The "just what you need, and nothing you don’t" statement re-enforces my view - based on the available evidence - that thehttp://Telnames.tel template will be a "no subdomains" offering.

The next few months is going to be very interesting for those who choose to stick with the .tel project !

Mike Seaton[/size]

Simon G

04-12-2012 12:43 AM

Ok I'll bite.
1: how are you do sure they are only Providing a single page? Please point me the page which states it.
2: you own your own page on your own domain therefore you control who sees what in short you control your data. The say £14.95 price means you don't have to be bombarded by ads which the provider believe you may be interested in. Ie Facebook linked in, it is quicker than the wysiwyg template providers.
Readable by most machines and not browser dependant.
3: The supermarkets/advertisers generally don't give two hoots
Whether they are using Facebook.com/tesco or PenIsland.com/tesco as long as they are getting interaction with the demographics they are aiming for.
4: currently all the cool kids are using Facebook so will tesco etc. if tel which currently is more of a contact hub than a social media tool was used by all the cool kids then tesco would as well
To stay in with the crew.
5: these company's use Facebook as the new market research it's a easy way to get feedback on promotions and customer related issues than to bombard us with emails or junk snail mail which they also do.

Once critical mass comes, so will all the sheep.

Forgive me if I've repeated a few points but my phone has a realy small screen, perhaps I should get an iPad like all my friends..

Simon G

04-12-2012 12:52 AM

Cheers I found it interesting.
Quote:

The "just what you need, and nothing you don’t" statement re-enforces my view - based on the available evidence - that thehttp://Telnames.tel template will be a "no subdomains" offering.

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I disagree and think your reading into it to far.
In its simplest form .tel is to store data, what happens when you have to much data? You categorise it.
A good way of doing is to structure it so it's easy to find. To me the best way of doing this is via a sub domain. You can find what you want with out going through reams of data. Anyone who uses tabular data on a regular basis will know the benefit of filtering and thus structuring it into an easier form.

I can't see why they would go to the hassle of starting up a company to make .tel better then limit themselfs in such a way. They want to make more money and grow, not limit themselves and potential customers.[/size]

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Re: Telnames.tel - interesting site...

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mikeseaton

04-12-2012 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simon G (Post 22037)
Ok I'll bite.
1: how are you do sure they are only Providing a single page? Please point me the page which states it.

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Simon, as stated in my posts my view is based on the evidence of what Telnames are actually testing at the moment - seehttp://www.google.com/search?q=%22po...elnames.com%22 and you will find that every Telnames template listed there is a ONE page template without any hint of subdomains !

I currently pay less that 50% of what Telnames will be charging so won't be using them unless the current registrars (*) I use abandon .tel !

Mike Seaton

* My current registrars - Name.com & Dynadot.com offer me both subdomains and AdSense monetisation - unlike the Telnames template.[/size]

Simon G

04-12-2012 01:22 AM

Mike, I appreciate your opinion.
My personally opinion is that I'm not going to gauge a companies product which has neither been released nor confirmed even then it may be in beta version. I guess time will .tel

I agree I would not be paying that price for each domain in my paltry portfolio without it paying its way. How ever at this stage I suspect we are both holding domains rather than developing them. Infact the use of images may engage the user more and stop them from clicking the Adsense as quick.
I wonder if dutch would consider using them at this price if he could use pictures below his escort affiliates.

dutchstreetdog

04-12-2012 02:04 AM

I would shure give it a try!

maximka

04-12-2012 02:08 AM

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Geo	04-12-2012 03:01 AM

Offering less for higher price? That doesn't sound like a recipe for success.

Mike, I think the reason why you don't see subdomains isn't because they won't be part of the final product, but because the people using those test domains (which are live by the way) simply don't have enough data or need for subdomains, unlike Henri.tel.

And the reason why you don't see Adsense could be because Adsense terms and conditions don't allow ads to be shown on undeveloped test domains. At least that is my take. Another possibility is that not all features have yet been completed for the Telnames CTH platform... as opposed to being left out of the recipe. Therefore, it's possibly still too early to make a proper judgment call.

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-12-2012 04:25 AM

I think one of the effects of Telnames will be an improved CTH. In order to support background images, new fields and image gallery, we will get management built-in to CTH. Telnic cant just give these management features to Telnames at the expense of the pioneer tel users that have stuck it out for 3 years asking for such bell and whistles. And Telnames needs these as a quick and easy part of a wizard and manager. Besides, all these new features are visible in the DNS records, SOAP will be updated and tools developed. Can't just be a Telnames proxy supporting these.
Mark

TELcp

04-12-2012 06:00 AM

My guess is telnames.com will be up and running before 17th May.
Then we will know what they have in store.

Blunderer

04-12-2012 12:19 PM

Question:

Could the template currently shown at Telpages be added by Telnic as an additional choice to the existing CTH or is that not technically possibe (because of image hosting, etc.)?

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-12-2012 01:48 PM

It is technically possible if they take the proxy code from Telnames .tel server to the standard Telnic servers. Their DNS records are compatible, they just have extensions to support b/g image and gallery is support via the TelAds protocol. I've already written code to support at least background images but not activated it. As for an image server, perhaps now it will only belong to Telnames, and the rendering code might be theirs as well. Although seems to me that not sharing would generate conflict.
Mark

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-12-2012 01:50 PM

Two more sites added ...
www.ambientinstallations.tel
www.menaiheating.tel
Mark

Blunderer

04-12-2012 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 22054)
It is technically possible if they take the proxy code from Telnames .tel server to the standard Telnic servers. Their DNS records are compatible, they just have extensions to support b/g image and gallery is support via the TelAds protocol. I've already written code to support at least background images but not activated it. As for an image server, perhaps now it will only belong to Telnames, and the rendering code might be theirs as well. Although seems to me that not sharing would generate conflict.
Mark

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Thanks Mark. That's what I thought

My head hurts

And to further perplex me, I've just received an email from a media buying agency asking if I want to advertise on my own site![/size]

mikeseaton

04-12-2012 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 22055)
Two more sites added ...
www.ambientinstallations.tel
www.menaiheating.tel
Mark

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Very interesting - 2 small business sites - and again not a hint of subdomains there !

THIS IS A PREDICTION FOR 2012/2013 - it may only turn out to be nn% accurate:

1. Telnames Limited will publicly launch at the UK Business Startup Show on 17-18 May 2012 offering a one-page template (as shown byhttp://YourBusiness.tel) at an annual registration cost of £14.95 ($23.85 at today's exchange rate).

2. They will not exhibit a subdomain-based template - nor will they offer one soon afterwards.

3. Their marketing will follow the "simple, easy, what you need, nothing you don't need" approach of the show's literature
Quote:
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With a .tel name, there's now a quick, easy and very affordable way for your business to enhance it's online and mobile presence and be found by more customers. For just £14.95 a year all in, secure your .tel name today and start generating more leads to grow your business. Show discount available!

Telnames is based in London, United Kingdom, and provides professionals and businesses with a simple, low-cost service to help with online discovery and promotion.

We believe that professionals and businesses marketing themselves today need just two things. The first is a simple online presence that they own, which is search and mobile-friendly and can be used as a point of contact for customers to reach them. The second is the ability to easily promote their name or brand in as many places online that they can, to take advantage of the word-of-mouth effect of social networks.

Using the award-winning .tel domain, we provide our customers with a simple and effective place that they can own and update when they want. They can then use this as a point of contact in all their online and promotional activities, knowing it will always be up-to-date and easy for customers to access, wherever they are, whenever they want.

We’ve simplified the process of buying, setting up and managing your own place online. There are no hidden costs and everything you need to publish your information is included in one small annual fee of £14.95.

Telnames provides just what you need, and nothing you don’t.

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4. Telnames will include image loading and video loading within their CTH - this will not be a standard part of the Telnic CTH provided to current registrars (giving .tel users an incentive to switch to Telnames).

5. Existing registrars will continue to offer the Telnic CTH as we know it (maybe with a few improvements already in the pipeline being added) but will find customers asking why they can't have the new Telnames template.

6. Telnames will cut a deal with some of the current registrars to take off them the pain of them running their own secure TelHosting server and offer to do this for them on the Telnames one, which of course will mean the registrars will then be able to offer their customers the new Telnames template.

7. There will be some registrars who still continue to stick with the Telnic CTH which will give those on the forum the seo-friendly subdomain setup we are used to - but this will be a minority of .tel users.

8. Telnames will offer an Affiliate scheme (hopefully through http://www.CJ.com and/or http://www.TradeDoubler.com) which many developers and entrepreneurs will sign up to and generate useful revenue from, as well as increasing the .tel registration total significantly.

9. Some of these affiliates will realise you can't promote what you don't use yourself and retain credibility - so they will drop the old subdomain-based templates in favour ot the Telnames one-page offering.

10. Telnames will do a low-cost deal with a Telco, with automatic setup from the Telco's own customer records, to get .tel into the hands of mobile phone users - or "Joe Public" as we call him.

11. If this turns out to be profitable for the initial Telco other carriers will soon follow, with Telnames able to charge a bulk price rather than loss-leader.

12. The .tel registry Telnic Limited will be sold, either to a major internet player, or to one of the companies busy buying up TLDs at the moment.

13. Omitted because I am a bit superstitious !

14. .TEL domains that are Geos, Professions, First Names, Products or Industries will be worth at least 100 times what they are fetching now.

Mike Seaton[/size]

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-12-2012 03:46 PM

Here are some additional thoughts.

If Telnames is being set up as an alternative registrar, then at the equivalent of $20US per domain they need an advantage to compete with registrars that already sell .tel for $10US. Telnames' only advantage will be offering new features that are not found elsewhere. So here is what they would be offering...

1. a new CTH control panel with wizards and integration of imaging hosting and image management
2. definable background images
3. image gallery
4. simple new fields like Hours of Operation
5. integrated video management
6. coupon and voucher management

Basically Telnames will offer a dirt-simple .tel integration for small business. Now that's a really good idea - but only for Telnic and Telnames - not other registrars.

And as a new registrar this makes a lot of sense. They can offer whatever they like to be competitive, perhaps all the things that we would like in the regular CTH. And people pay a premium to get this extra service. That's the benefit of using Telnames.

However, should this come to pass, this will alienate the existing .tel community unless Telnames offers discounts to existing owners to use their services and/or the new .tel features become available to us.

IMO, the development of the TelNames infrastructure seems to have drained away the Telnic development resources, perhaps why the templates are not here yet. Why else would Huw be testing Telnames templates unless he is no longer employed by Telnic and now is on contract? Seems to me this is not quite fair.

I do hope that Telnic offers the Telnames features to all, but can see why they wouldn't. Again not fair to us supporters.

My opinion,
Mark

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-12-2012 03:47 PM

Wow Mike, you and me writing almost the same thing at the same time, Uncanny,
Mark

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-12-2012 03:54 PM

Expanding on what you said, never thought of the angle of Telnames offering a deal to registrars to run Tel services for them. But that makes sense too. If they can offer an incentive to registrars to use their services and features, that would get them to sell more, attractive tels. Could be part of Telnic's new marketing strategy aimed at registrars?
Mark

mikeseaton

04-12-2012 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 22059)
Wow Mike, you and me writing almost the same thing at the same time, Uncanny, Mark

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Yes Mark - it took me quite a while to think it through and type it up - and all the time you were in Canada writing much the same !

I'm actually OK with what appears to be happening - there will be some short term inconvenience to us (particularly re subdomains if my analysis turns out to be correct) but the long term value of our .tels will rise significantly - a just reward for those of us who have "kept the faith" !

Mike Seaton[/size]

mikeseaton

04-12-2012 04:43 PM

AmbientInstallations.tel

Just been playing with the Image Gallery on http://ambientinstallations.tel

Slick and quick - the possibilities for using this to sell products and services are endless !

I think those of us with .tel domains to sell to small businesses will want to set them up on a http://Telnames.tel template to demonstrate how they could be used - the time spent doing this will be well rewarded by the increase in the domain sale price.

Just need an Affiliate scheme (allowing affiliates to get commission on their own as well as client registrations) or a Coupon discount (coupons are another feature of the new template) to get some immediate domain transfer business heading towards Telnames !

Mike Seaton

dialaroom

04-12-2012 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 22059)
Wow Mike, you and me writing almost the same thing at the same time, Uncanny,
Mark

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Much as all here enjoy Mark and Mikes psychic powers and speculative assertions, would it not be in the best interest of Telnic to at least comment, even if it's only with "no comment", or should we all assume 2 of our most experienced and knowledgeable .telers have hit the nail on the head. I for one hope so. Thanks for the posts, guys.

Come on Telnic, give us a few crumbs.......[/size]

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-12-2012 05:12 PM

In my dealings with Telnic re Telnames the repsonse is to ask Telnames directly.
Mark

dialaroom

04-12-2012 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 22066)
In my dealings with Telnic re Telnames the repsonse is to ask Telnames directly.
Mark

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Mark, have you had any feedback from Telnames?[/size]

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Re: Telnames.tel - interesting site...

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Geo	04-12-2012 05:36 PM

Looking at menaiheating.tel, it appears that some data that used to be lumped in with the keywords section has been split up like business address and business profile into their own section with icon. Notice how the image gallery comes between the business address and business profile in Menai heating. That makes sense, from a small business point of view.

We may be looking at more API changes than we thought. Wonder when the changes will show up as a revised pdf in the Developers Section at Telnic?

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-12-2012 05:44 PM

Dear Mark,
Thanks for your interest. As you can see, we’re not quite ready to launch yet. We’ll be in touch when the website is live.
Regards,
The team at Telnames

Mark

mikeseaton

04-12-2012 06:12 PM

When http://Telnames.tel launch their .com site I will give them a plug and link on http://twitter.com/mikeseaton

Hopefully others with social networking accounts will do the same to get the new company and template off to a flying start in terms of internet traffic.

Mike Seaton

Cees	04-13-2012 01:56 AM

Somewhere amongst all that speculation by both Mike and Mark, there may be some truth, if some of this does come to pass at least they (Telnic et al) can't be accused of under cutting the current registrars.
BTW Mike Item Number 13 looks the goods.

teltheworld

04-13-2012 12:02 PM

Do you think there is any possibility that Telnames may want to charge full price for an upgrade to any new templates and or CTH features?

mikeseaton

04-13-2012 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teltheworld (Post 22091)
Do you think there is any possibility that Telnames may want to charge full price for an upgrade to any new templates and or CTH features?

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My guess is that Telnames will offer a competitive price to transfer (which covers you for the next 12 months) - it's quite normal for registrars to offer a lower price for transfers than for registrations or renewals - see http://manage.name.com/pricing for an example.

What I would really like is for Telnames to expand .tel registration via themselves quickly and effectively by offering an Affiliate scheme using http://www.CJ.com and/or http://www.TradeDoubler.com

To attract affiliates this must offer a standard 28 or 30 day cookie - the period in which you still get credit for a sale after the user clicks through from your site but makes the purchase later by going direct to the advertiser's site.

To entice forum members with multiple domains to switch there should be no restriction on affiliates getting commission for their own domains.

These affiliate schemes can be set up very quickly - Commission Junction and TradeDoubler have thousands of affiliates ready and waiting and the infrastructure in place for immediate sales.

Mike Seaton[/size]

teltheworld

04-13-2012 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeseaton (Post 22092)
My guess is that Telnames will offer a competitive price to transfer (which covers you for the next 12 months) - it's quite normal for registrars to offer a lower price for transfers than for registrations or renewals - see http://manage.name.com/pricing for an example.

What I would really like is for Telnames to expand .tel registration via themselves quickly and effectively by offering an Affiliate scheme using http://www.CJ.com and/or http://www.TradeDoubler.com

To attract affiliates this must offer a standard 28 or 30 day cookie - the period in which you still get credit for a sale after the user clicks through from your site but makes the purchase later by going direct to the advertiser's site.

To entice forum members with multiple domains to switch there should be no restriction on affiliates getting commission for their own domains.

These affiliate schemes can be set up very quickly - Commission Junction and TradeDoubler have thousands of affiliates ready and waiting and the infrastructure in place for immediate sales.

Mike Seaton

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Very well explained Mike but assuming that you or anyone else was granted affiliate status, would there be any way of using this to introduce new customers to .Tel Tlds you already own but at a premium price?[/size]

mikeseaton

04-13-2012 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teltheworld (Post 22095)
Very well explained Mike but assuming that you or anyone else was granted affiliate status, would there be any way of using this to introduce new customers to .Tel Tlds you already own but at a premium price?

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What I would do is to transfer the .tel to Telnames myself - then set up the new template as I would anticipate a buyer would want it, but with my contact details on it and a note to contact me to purchase the domain.

That way you are offering a purchaser a much better idea of what a .tel is - and what it can do for them - than the myriad of empty .tels on show now.

Make a product attractive and it's more likely to sell - even if all the packaging (the data) is replaced by the purchaser.

The one decision that would need to be made is whether you effectively sell a "site" rather than a domain name - you would do this by making a backup via the CTH and emailing it to the purchaser or alternatively creating a new account and CTH with everything set up for them.

There is a downside to selling a "site" though - you won't be able to use the "Buy Now with instant domain transfer" service that is becoming very popular - I really like this approach as used here for .tel domain sales

Mike Seaton[/size]

teltheworld

04-13-2012 02:23 PM

Does anyone know if the launch date of Telnames / New Templates / Improved CTH etc / if being made available, comes before or after a major drop date?

I was wondering if it were possible to be hit with a Double Whammy whereby you would have to renew your .Tel Tld's in their present form (or lose them) and then maybe just a few days or a few weeks later, have to pay all over again for an upgrade / transfer to use any new features that may become available after launch day.

mikeseaton

04-13-2012 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teltheworld (Post 22097)
Does anyone know if the launch date of Telnames / New Templates / Improved CTH etc / if being made available, comes before or after a major drop date?

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Telnames launch date will have to be on or before 17 May 2012 - giving that they are exhibiting on this date and are offering a "show discount" - which you can only do if your system is up and running - see http://www.bstartup.com/exhibitors/i...s-limited.html

Based on last year, when I picked up some amazing one-word industry and product dominating .tels, the .tels dropped from the 23/24 March registrations will be released in early June.

Mike Seaton[/size]

teltheworld

04-13-2012 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeseaton (Post 22096)
What I would do is to transfer the .tel to Telnames myself - then set up the new template as I would anticipate a buyer would want it, but with my contact details on it and a note to contact me to purchase the domain.

That way you are offering a purchaser a much better idea of what a .tel is - and what it can do for them - than the myriad of empty .tels on show now.

Make a product attractive and it's more likely to sell - even if all the packaging (the data) is replaced by the purchaser.

The one decision that would need to be made is whether you effectively sell a "site" rather than a domain name - you would do this by making a backup via the CTH and emailing it to the purchaser or alternatively creating a new account and CTH with everything set up for them.

There is a downside to selling a "site" though - you won't be able to use the "Buy Now with instant domain transfer" service that is becoming very popular - I really like this approach as used here for .tel domain sales

Mike Seaton

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Nice idea Mike, I like that[/size]

teltheworld

04-13-2012 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeseaton (Post 22098)
Telnames launch date will have to be on or before 17 May 2012 - giving that they are exhibiting on this date and are offering a "show discount" - which you can only do if your system is up and running - see http://www.bstartup.com/exhibitors/i...s-limited.html

Based on last year, when I picked up some amazing one-word industry and product dominating .tels, the .tels dropped from the 23/24 March registrations will be released in early June.

Mike Seaton

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Very interesting Mike, I wonder what the Show Discount might be and whether existing .Tel owners might be offered a similar special deal?[/size]

teltheworld

04-13-2012 03:07 PM

Mike just had a look at the site you mentioned but cant see any info on how to list them for sale, maybe its staring me in the face but I can't see how you are supposed to list them.

mikeseaton

04-13-2012 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teltheworld (Post 22102)
Mike just had a look at the site you mentioned but cant see any info on how to list them for sale, maybe its staring me in the facebut I can't see how you are supposed to list them.

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You will need to have your .tel domains registered at Dynadot to list in their Marketplace (then it's just an option you select in your account)
- click https://www.dynadot.com/create_account.html to create a free Dynadot account.

It's only logical that they have this restriction at https://www.dynadot.com/marketplace/?tld=tel because of the "instant transfer" of the domain to the buyer on payment.

Mike Seaton[/size]

teltheworld

04-13-2012 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeseaton (Post 22103)
You will need to have your .tel domains registered at Dynadot to list in their Marketplace (then it's just an option you select in your account)
- click https://www.dynadot.com/create_account.html to create a free Dynadot account.

It's only logical that they have this restriction at https://www.dynadot.com/marketplace/?tld=tel because of the "instant transfer" of the domain to the buyer on payment.

Mike Seaton

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I wonder how many other people didn't know about that before they bought from other registrars?

Do they actually pay you out or do they credit your account which IMO would not be so good[/size]

mikeseaton

04-13-2012 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teltheworld (Post 22104)
Do they actually pay you out or do they credit your account which IMO would not be so good

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Currently it's account credit only (they say pay out may be available in the future) but with 100+ domains at Dynadot account credit is OK with me.

Mike Seaton[/size]

Sumerlin

04-15-2012 12:30 AM

If they get rid of subdomains I am sure they can forget about this concept because american lawyers will take them to the cleaners.
American lawyers can squeeze blood out of the stone and Telnic will find out soon

TELcp

04-15-2012 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sumerlin (Post 22218)
If they get rid of subdomains I am sure they can forget about this concept because american lawyers will take them to the cleaners.
American lawyers can squeeze blood out of the stone and Telnic will find out soon

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Looks like the whole mess is being guided into a situation like that, unless thwarted by making right decisions.

If neglected, however, the .tel will have gained lot of free publicity at the end of the day.

;)[/size]

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dialaroom

04-15-2012 10:49 AM

Telnic may be able to increase prices, but to what purpose, when it is almost impossible to sell a so called premium .tel at the current price. A .tel without folders is a book cover without a book.

Telnic is made up of some very clever business men, to conceive and start .tel.

Lets wait and see.

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Re: Telnames.tel - interesting site...

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Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-15-2012 01:31 PM

newest telnames site is a restaurant/pub ...
http://theploughappleton.tel/
Mark

TELcp

04-15-2012 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 22226)
newest telnames site is a restaurant/pub ...
http://theploughappleton.tel/
Mark

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Apparently this particular domain has been regged in March 2011 and transfered on 10th April 2012.
And now using new servers.

:confused:[/size]

Blunderer

04-15-2012 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 22226)
newest telnames site is a restaurant/pub ...
http://theploughappleton.tel/
Mark

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I bet they didn't load it themselves.[/size]

maximka

04-15-2012 04:59 PM

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Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-15-2012 05:06 PM

Telchina can set that price b/c I think they have a captive audience that cannot buy regular domains.
Mark

can	04-15-2012 05:19 PM

I support they set up a new company to sell tel domains without subdirectory for $1 to boost 3 million registras.

dialaroom

04-15-2012 06:16 PM

http://www.bstartup.com/exhibitors/i...s-limited.html

maximka

04-15-2012 06:46 PM

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TELcp

04-15-2012 06:54 PM

Probably krislea.tel knows better than us.

maximka

04-15-2012 07:12 PM

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teltheworld

04-16-2012 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeseaton (Post 22098)
Telnames launch date will have to be on or before 17 May 2012 - giving that they are exhibiting on this date and are offering a "show discount" - which you can only do if your system is up and running - see http://www.bstartup.com/exhibitors/i...s-limited.html

Based on last year, when I picked up some amazing one-word industry and product dominating .tels, the .tels dropped from the 23/24 March registrations will be released in early June.

Mike Seaton

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Just had a bit of a thought Mike, while I was looking at the latest smart phones.

Launch day 'can' be different to Availability day.

ie smart phone manufacturers for (instance) can take advance orders on launch day but not make the product generally available until days / weeks / or even sometimes months afterwards.

So taking something like that on board, do you think it is possible, that general availability 'could' be after a big drop date?

I'm beginning to imagine that any .Tels that do get dropped might have their Sub Domains stripped out, never to return and instead transformed into 'The new product'[/size]

Simon G

04-16-2012 12:46 PM

Quote:

I began to think about reducing by half the number of my TELs. Too many of bad omens appeared here - forum almost closed, no information about stability of future of prices of TELs, and etc..

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Maximka,
I'll not make observations about .tel however a general observation on a yearly basis is that almost all domain registration fees will rise whether it is com, net, org, co.uk etc. Either drop what you feel you should or make sure you have funds available to take advantage of promotions as they come around.

In my opinion the speculation has grown arms and legs and is getting out of hand and as such is starting to appear to be speculation on top of speculation and resembling a game of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_whispers
Aled has posted here which mentioned the reason the forum has become closed to guests.
http://telnic.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2748

Teltheworld
Aleds statement suggested to me
Quote:
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I'm beginning to imagine that any .Tels that do get dropped might have their Sub Domains stripped out, never to return and instead transformed into 'The new product'

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will not happen.[/size]

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-16-2012 04:11 PM

I have seen the light

I believe Telnames was created for a number of reasons ..

1) show registrars what should/could have been done with .tel domains
2) go full steam ahead if registrars don't extend .tel with new features and push .tel to the masses.
3) provide an upgraded CTH
4) for Telnic to finally start making money one way or another.

Remember, Telnic keeps stating that it only provides services for others, namely registars (and to some extent developers) to build upon. Although it had to provide CTH, the CTH can be extended by registrars to support images and video. They chose not to.

So Telnames will be the vehicle to expand .tel to the next level, with or without the registrars new support.

Mark

mikeseaton

04-16-2012 11:00 PM

@Mark

Glad to note that you have "seen the light".

I don't believe any "normal" registrar - one who offers many gTLDs and is not just set up for .tel like TelChina - will have any interest in modifying the CTH and proxy development for the simple reason that's not what their business model is all about i.e. domain registration and renewal.

Successfull businesses tend to stick to their core competence - just because you can handle domain registration/renewal efficiently doesn't make you a good software designer or developer !

So I think it's down to Telnames to help .tel expand to the masses - registrars have had their chance for the last 3 years and have shown no interest in CTH modification and proxy development.

Mike Seaton

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-17-2012 12:23 AM

Another revelation: Since Telnames is not an accredited registrar, it seems they have a relationship with an existing registrar as a value-added reseller (whois query some Telnames sites) . So that registrar will get the benefit of the new template(s) and CTH.
Mark

mikeseaton

04-17-2012 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 22283)
Another revelation: Since Telnames is not an accredited registrar, it seems they have a relationship with an existing registrar as a value-added reseller (whois query some Telnames sites) . So that registrar will get the benefit of the new template(s) and CTH.

[size]
Looks like Prediction 6 of my 2012/2013 predictions post is about to become true !

Quote:
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Originally Posted by mikeseaton (Post 22057)
6. Telnames will cut a deal with some of the current registrars to take off them the pain of them running their own secure TelHosting server and offer to do this for them on the Telnames one, which of course will mean the registrars will then be able to offer their customers the new Telnames template.

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Mike Seaton[/size]

teltheworld

04-22-2012 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 22226)
newest telnames site is a restaurant/pub ...
http://theploughappleton.tel/
Mark

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Hi Mark

That's a nice looking Tel but could you tell me if the images for something like that would be uploaded from your hard drive or from a photo sharing site.

Also do you think there would be any limit to the number of photos that you can run through the viewer? as I haven't myself seen any more than 6.

If you need to use a photo sharing site, is there one that you could recommend.

many thanks[/size]

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-22-2012 11:57 AM

Telnames is using their on image server so I suspect you upload from your computer directly to them. No idea on their limits.
Mark

teltheworld

04-22-2012 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 22545)
Telnames is using their on image server so I suspect you upload from your computer directly to them. No idea on their limits.
Mark

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Thanks Mark, I think a lot of people may have been wondering about that[/size]

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-23-2012 08:48 PM

Another site up ... http://coffox.tel/
What baffles me is why they would use the Telnames template because without subdomains it's of no use for SEO. This would be a better site for SEO using long tail keywords as subdomains for searches.
Mark

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Re: Telnames.tel - interesting site...

by Telnic 2015-01-02, 5:42 am

Simon G

04-23-2012 09:12 PM

Looking at it, coffox ranks first in google For the exact term.
Theploughappleton fourth under the main site. Perhaps that's all they are looking to rank for ?
The direct contact details just like a regular phone book, quick info on the go.

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-23-2012 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simon G (Post 22594)
Looking at it, coffox ranks first in google For the exact term.
Theploughappleton fourth under the main site. Perhaps that's all they are looking to rank for ?
The direct contact details just like a regular phone book, quick info on the go.

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Fine if you know what coffee shop or establishment you're looking for, but I'd say most don't.
They'll search like this ...
coffee in oxford with free wifi
and won't find it.
That's why long tail subdomains are needed especially for small business to compete with established brands and online directories. If Telnames is selling without subdomains their customers are totally getting short-changed.
Mark[/size]

mikeseaton

04-23-2012 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 22595)
They'll search like this ...
coffee in oxford with free wifi
and won't find it.
That's why long tail subdomains are needed especially for small business to compete with established brands and online directories. If Telnames is selling without subdomains their customers are totally getting short-changed.

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Mark, I agree with you about the desirability of subdomains for long-tail search - I have used them successfully on many .tel domains to generate free targeted traffic and revenue.

BUT I just don't think http://Telnames.tel are interested in this !

From a marketing point of view, with a new product (.tel will be new to most people when Telnames gets going) you need to have a consistent message.

It can be a long-tail SEO-friendly subdomain-structured domain as at present, or it can be a single page point-of-contact domain with video, image gallery and discount offer all easily input by a user via the CTH control panel.

I just think http://Telnames.tel have chosen the latter, and given that the CEO and CFO of both Telnic and Telnames are the same people, the two companies operate from the same offices, and Telnic staff are obviously involved in testing the new Telnames template it's getting pretty clear the direction that .tel is heading in.

I'm not saying subdomains will be dropped in the very near future - it's just that the Telnames template will be very atttractive to registrars (we already know Telnames is not a registrar itself) and I foresee a situation with some current registrars letting Telnames run the CTH.

If that happens, I don't believe the average multi-extension registrar will have any interest in keeping the current CTH (with subdomains) going as well.

Of course I may be wrong and new Telnames templates with subdomains could suddenly appear before launch date - I just don't think it will happen !

Mike Seaton[/size]

Simon G

04-23-2012 10:52 PM

Perhaps this would be the perfect upsell for directory owners. Ie if telnames provided some sort of reseller option.
Buy your .tel from the directory providers ie mytown.tel
You get your own business.tel, then an additional business listing at Coffeeshop.mytown.tel where I list businesses with targeted keywords. that link direct to the smb.tel

I've been trying to think for ages how smb .tels and local directorys would work symbiotically.

Possibly this is it.

maximka

04-23-2012 11:00 PM

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Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-23-2012 11:01 PM

Having two different offerings will not only lead to confusion but will limit people who make the "wrong" choice after they realize they can't extend their presence. Those people are more likely to drop them after a year.
Mark

dialaroom

04-24-2012 07:07 AM

Simple question, would you prefer a .tel with sub-domains or would you rather pay more for a single page .tel with a pretty picture as background.

Geo	04-24-2012 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dialaroom (Post 22604)
Simple question, would you prefer a .tel with sub-domains or would you rather pay more for a single page .tel with a pretty picture as background.

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Subdomains hands down. But I don't see why we can't have both.

Unless perhaps the subdomains put such a strain on the dns servers / storage that registrars are threatening to pull out and drop Tel altogether from their platforms... unless Tel removes subdomains. I wonder if Telnic and the registrars underestimated the technical burden?

I doubt it... more likely they realize now that they've created a monster in terms of the power of directories to sublet space on a premium Tel root domain that becomes popular and well trafficked. But as far as i know subdomains can't be legally assigned to another entity; they must remain under the legal responsibility of the root registrant... And it is fine to 'rent' a subdomain space for others to use. Besides, if Tel does hit bigtime, then I'm sure no business would want to be without their own Tel anyways, so it is unlikely for subdomain leasing to pose a serious threat to domain registration. In fact, some companies and social networks might find the idea very appealing to assign their own collection of addresses such as JoesPizza.Tulsa.YP.Tel or Zuckerberg.Facebook.Tel.

The utility of subdomains really extends Tel in a logical and powerful way; to remove that would be in my opinion highly regressive and suppressive rather than progressive and impressive. That said, there may be some apps that might have a hard time playing nice with subdomained Tels. In that case, let it be known to Tel owners that to play nice you need to assign a particular subdomain or the root itself and present the key info needed there... such as YP.mydomain.tel or contactme.mydomain.tel. Each application could announce its own standard subdomain which could become a popular standard.

There are lots of possibilities to consider, and I'm sure will need to be worked out over time, but crippling Tel domains by removing subdomain functionality would ultimately create more problems than it would solve.[/size]

dialaroom

04-24-2012 09:00 AM

Excellent post @Geo.

It's still seems strange that even today we are worried about the size of servers, speed, storage etc.

It seems things have progressed at lightening speed since my first PC (16kb memory (yes kilobyte), 40mb storage). But even now it still comes down to storage, etc..

dottel.net

04-24-2012 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geo (Post 22606)
Unless perhaps the subdomains put such a strain on the dns servers / storage that registrars are threatening to pull out and drop Tel altogether from their platforms... unless Tel removes subdomains.

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not the case, as apart from telchina and now telnames, ALL other registrars currently use the centrally telnic hosted servers....[/size]

teltheworld

04-24-2012 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dialaroom (Post 22604)
Simple question, would you prefer a .tel with sub-domains or would you rather pay more for a single page .tel with a pretty picture as background.

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Hi dialaroom

Too many people have still got their 'Techie' heads on. IMO Joe Public would be happy with a single page and look at circa $23 as being a bit of a bargain!

Its the lack of too many gizmos that make this product attractive.

Your Contact details are on there (check)

A Web Site they never had before.previously too complicated and too expensive (check)

A nice pretty picture of their Pub or whatever (check)

A space to put more pictures to entice the Public in (check)

Opening hours and a bit of bio etc (check)

What more could Joe Public want?

Once Joe Public has got it set up during the course of an evening, then they will leave it at that and IMO won't even know what a Sub Domain is, let alone want to include one.[/size]

dialaroom

04-24-2012 11:48 AM

@teltheworld - I'm sure you're right and there is a market out there for this pleasingly simple option. If I were to look at it another way, perhaps we should count ourselves extremely lucky that .tel in its original format is so so cheap.

Sort of reminds me of our local transport, whereby for one of the routes it is cheaper to buy a return ticket than a one way. Strange but true.

teltheworld

04-24-2012 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeseaton (Post 22598)
Mark, I agree with you about the desirability of subdomains for long-tail search - I have used them successfully on many .tel domains to generate free targeted traffic and revenue.

BUT I just don't think http://Telnames.tel are interested in this !

From a marketing point of view, with a new product (.tel will be new to most people when Telnames gets going) you need to have a consistent message.

It can be a long-tail SEO-friendly subdomain-structured domain as at present, or it can be a single page point-of-contact domain with video, image gallery and discount offer all easily input by a user via the CTH control panel.

I just think http://Telnames.tel have chosen the latter, and given that the CEO and CFO of both Telnic and Telnames are the same people, the two companies operate from the same offices, and Telnic staff are obviously involved in testing the new Telnames template it's getting pretty clear the direction that .tel is heading in.

I'm not saying subdomains will be dropped in the very near future - it's just that the Telnames template will be very atttractive to registrars (we already know Telnames is not a registrar itself) and I foresee a situation with some current registrars letting Telnames run the CTH.

If that happens, I don't believe the average multi-extension registrar will have any interest in keeping the current CTH (with subdomains) going as well.

Of course I may be wrong and new Telnames templates with subdomains could suddenly appear before launch date - I just don't think it will happen !

Mike Seaton

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Hi Mike

IMO I cannot foresee any other Templates, turning up any time soon, as to do so might possibly take the shine away from the new product launch.

Once you give Joe Public a choice, they won't know which horse to jump on and IMO they won't want to muddy those waters.

Something that hasn't been discussed as far as I can see: I'm wondering if there could be a possible block on a change of ownership for e.g. 60 days or whatever as some registrars might impose?[/size]

mikeseaton

04-25-2012 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teltheworld (Post 22619)
Once you give Joe Public a choice, they won't know which horse to jump on and IMO they won't want to muddy those waters.

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That's also the way I view it - you can't sell a new product (which .tel is to "Joe Public") without having a consistent marketing message !

It looks like the single page http://Telnames.tel template is the .tel message that is going to go out - so what demand will there be from the masses for the current subdomain-based template - even though it's incredibly useful to forum memebrs for long-tail seo traffic generation at a very reasonable price.

I just don't think there's enough renewal business from forum members to justify the indefinite retention of the "subdomain model" - and of course every subdomain created for a new business is a potential lost new .tel registration !

I'm trying to look at things from a business perspective from Telnic / Telnames viewpoint - because that is where .tel strategy decisions are going to be made now and in the future.

Mike Seaton[/size]

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-25-2012 01:57 AM

Ah but without subdomains, the small business owner won't get the advantage of Google crawling over all those consumer-centric keywords. And it's more than just selling a domain to the owner, it's about giving him an advantage over the competition. By having subdomains, they can control the content going out to the search engines and ultimately to the consumers they want to connect with.

Losing subdomains would be a totally stupid idea. Telnames can limit subdomains to 50 or 100 in the new templates for SEO. That way they cant be used for massive directories. And as generic domain names are exhausted there will be less directories for Telnic's servers to worry about.

Long live subdomains, they are the small business owner's best friend.

Mark

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-25-2012 02:01 AM

BTW, I look forward to the visually-attractive, feature-rich new templates to sell locally, but my selling proposition has to include showing owners how to improve their local community awareness via their own subdomain content. That's the only advantage a small guy has over established competition. It's not just about the initial page. Besides, how do you sell this to a pizza chain with multiple locations without subdomains?
Mark

mikeseaton

04-25-2012 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 22671)
Besides, how do you sell this to a pizza chain with multiple locations without subdomains?

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PizzaHutBrighton.tel
PizzaHutPortsmouth.tel
PizzaHutSouthampton.tel
etc, etc.

So Telnic / Telnames get 100's, perhaps 1000's more .tel registrations than they would if .tels continue to have up to 3,000 subdomains.

I have used subdomains extensively and they are great for generating seo free targeted traffic - and make a .tel domain excellent value for money for the likes of us forum members - I just don't think that is a major concern of Telnic / Telnames at the moment !

I'm also unsure how Telnic / Telnames can sell a new product to "Joe Public" for the first time when it looks as different ashttp://TheGreenhouse.tel and http://Domains123.tel - how can Joe identify what .tel is all about when it's as different as these two examples ?

I think the only chance of subdomains continuing for the long term is if there was a subdomain version of the new template produced byhttp://Telnames.tel - I just don't think it's in their game plan.

It's easy for Telnic / Telnames to prove my suspicion re the long term future of subdomains is wrong by launching such a version of the new template
- do you really think they will Mark ?

Mike Seaton[/size]

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-25-2012 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeseaton (Post 22672)
PizzaHutBrighton.tel
PizzaHutPortsmouth.tel
PizzaHutSouthampton.tel
etc, etc.

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Sorry Mike, with all respect, that is just plain nuts. You cannot create a mobile directory for store locations in that manner. No one would ever do that. It's a complete inconvenience to the customer. They want a single point of contact, browsable or indexed. One domain to visit to find their favorite pizza joint or whatever place they are looking for.

Telnames cannot be so shortsighted to limit the functionality to a single landing spot.

Subdomains are easy to implement and navigate, nothing the end consumer can't figure out at the click of their mouse or finger. And the owner just needs powerful, easy-to-use wizards to guide them into creating various subdomains, eg you want a store locator, a company directory, a department guide, etc.

Mark[/size]

Geo	04-25-2012 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeseaton (Post 22672)
PizzaHutBrighton.tel
PizzaHutPortsmouth.tel
PizzaHutSouthampton.tel
etc, etc.

So Telnic / Telnames get 100's, perhaps 1000's more .tel registrations than they would if .tels continue to have up to 3,000 subdomains.

I have used subdomains extensively and they are great for generating seo free targeted traffic - and make a .tel domain excellent value for money for the likes of us forum members - I just don't think that is a major concern of Telnic / Telnames at the moment !

I'm also unsure how Telnic / Telnames can sell a new product to "Joe Public" for the first time when it looks as different ashttp://TheGreenhouse.tel and http://Domains123.tel - how can Joe identify what .tel is all about when it's as different as these two examples ?

I think the only chance of subdomains continuing for the long term is if there was a subdomain version of the new template produced by http://Telnames.tel - I just don't think it's in their game plan.

It's easy for Telnic / Telnames to prove my suspicion re the long term future of subdomains is wrong by launching such a version of the new template
- do you really think they will Mark ?

Mike Seaton

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Such a cumbersome naming scheme Mike... Do you know how many Pizza Huts there are? Tens of thousands - do you seriously think that they're going to register that many domains to do what one domain could do?[/size]

Cees	04-25-2012 09:04 AM

IMO Telnic have a moral and probably legal obligation to keep the sub-domain model going and also deliver the said templates, many .tel owners would feel aggrieved, robbed of time, money and opportunity.
I'm certain they would be exposed to a legal challenge, you can't string people along in this manner, thus I think they will deliver or should I say must deliver.

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Post n°7

Re: Telnames.tel - interesting site...

by Telnic 2015-01-02, 5:43 am

teltheworld

04-25-2012 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeseaton (Post 22672)
PizzaHutBrighton.tel
PizzaHutPortsmouth.tel
PizzaHutSouthampton.tel
etc, etc.

So Telnic / Telnames get 100's, perhaps 1000's more .tel registrations than they would if .tels continue to have up to 3,000 subdomains.

I have used subdomains extensively and they are great for generating seo free targeted traffic - and make a .tel domain excellent value for money for the likes of us forum members - I just don't think that is a major concern of Telnic / Telnames at the moment !

I'm also unsure how Telnic / Telnames can sell a new product to "Joe Public" for the first time when it looks as different ashttp://TheGreenhouse.tel and http://Domains123.tel - how can Joe identify what .tel is all about when it's as different as these two examples ?

I think the only chance of subdomains continuing for the long term is if there was a subdomain version of the new template produced by http://Telnames.tel - I just don't think it's in their game plan.

It's easy for Telnic / Telnames to prove my suspicion re the long term future of subdomains is wrong by launching such a version of the new template
- do you really think they will Mark ?

Mike Seaton

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I agree with Mike!

Even if someone like Pizza Hut bought one for every outlet in the Country, this would represent peanuts in terms of expenditure.

All you would have to remember is the name of the company ie Pizza Hut followed by the location eg Pizza Hut Brighton followed by .Tel

It doesn't get any easier than that, so why would you want to beat yourself up by trawling through a directory when you don't have to?[/size]

Cees	04-25-2012 12:21 PM

Pizza Hut would also get a discount.

dottel.net

04-25-2012 12:22 PM

there's a great pizza for a fiver offer on right now for those in the UK.

sorry - couldn't resist

dialaroom

04-25-2012 02:57 PM

Looking at the pics http://thegreenhouse.tel/ I'm sure that's Aled with a couple of ladies in the bar. Not one to start rumours of course

paulza

04-25-2012 04:03 PM

Telnames.com is alive!

Geo	04-25-2012 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teltheworld (Post 22684)
...

It doesn't get any easier than that, so why would you want to beat yourself up by trawling through a directory when you don't have to?

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It's just as easy to for people to use Brighton.PizzaHut.Tel
And it's certainly easier to administer than having to renew thirty thousand domains.[/size]

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-25-2012 05:03 PM

Would like to transfer one of my domains to TelNames but don't see how and if possible. Ready to try one out.
Mark

mikeseaton

04-25-2012 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 22675)
Sorry Mike, with all respect, that is just plain nuts. You cannot create a mobile directory for store locations in that manner. No one would ever do that.

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BMW do with their BMW Coupe and Mini Cooper sales !

Here's the web addresses for my local BMW & Mini franchises

http://www.SnowsPortsmouthBMW.co.uk
http://www.SnowsPortsmouthMini.co.uk

Here's the web addresses for the same franchise operator on nearby Isle of Wight

http://www.SnowsIsleOfWightBMW.co.uk
http://www.SnowsIsleOfWightMini.co.uk

If it's a good enough naming convention for BMW & Mini franchises I can't see PizzaHut having a problem with PizzaHutPortsmouth.tel and PizzaHutIsleOfWight.tel !

I think some are falling into the trap of thinking what's best for them is what Telnic / Telnames will consider best for .tel in the long term (remember Kash and Fiona are CEO/CFO of both companies) - as someone recently remarked "You're looking through the wrong end of the telescope !".

Mike Seaton[/size]

mikeseaton

04-25-2012 05:55 PM

OK last one to register a .tel at http://www.Telnames.com buys the beers !

I'm just trying to sort out a good name to register to check out what they have to offer in the only way possible - personal experience.

Mike Seaton

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-25-2012 05:59 PM

Seeing how Telnames is geared for small business, I'm waiting to find a good name that makes sense.
Mark

Geo	04-25-2012 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cees (Post 22685)
Pizza Hut would also get a discount.

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Perhaps, but they might also need to hire another person for their legal team to keep on top of renewals, legal disputes with cybersquatters, phishers, or other businesses. The latter is certainly going to be a big issue with businesses with more generic names, like Apple, or those whose name is shared with other businesses in other sectors... for example, you might have a Telnic registry, but also potentially a Telnic line of mobile accessories or Telnic candy stores... which could lead to a lot of confusion for people. Many businesses and organizations share a same business or product name, because their trademark can be based on very different product types. Each company would prefer one central brandable name, such as company.com, company.net, company.org, company.ca, company.de... but when you then have all of these competing for thousands of Tel names, it would be a big legal headache.[/size]

mikeseaton

04-25-2012 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geo (Post 22697)
... but when you then have all of these competing for thousands of Tel names, it would be a big legal headache.

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Maybe, but a huge revenue earner for Telnic / Telnames !

What do you think matters to these two companies most ?

Mike Seaton[/size]

dottel.net

04-25-2012 06:06 PM

here's some suggestions...... (all available) for those looking for a name

settingupabusiness.tel
startingasmallbusiness.tel
startyourownbusiness.tel
smallbusinessseo.tel
businesspartner.tel

teltheworld

04-25-2012 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeseaton (Post 22694)
BMW do with their BMW Coupe and Mini Cooper sales !

Here's the web addresses for my local BMW & Mini franchises

http://www.SnowsPortsmouthBMW.co.uk
http://www.SnowsPortsmouthMini.co.uk

Here's the web addresses for the same franchise operator on nearby Isle of Wight

http://www.SnowsIsleOfWightBMW.co.uk
http://www.SnowsIsleOfWightMini.co.uk

If it's a good enough naming convention for BMW & Mini franchises I can't see PizzaHut having a problem with PizzaHutPortsmouth.tel and PizzaHutIsleOfWight.tel !

I think some are falling into the trap of thinking what's best for them is what Telnic / Telnames will consider best for .tel in the long term (remember Kash and Fiona are CEO/CFO of both companies) - as someone recently remarked "You're looking through the wrong end of the telescope !".

Mike Seaton

[size]
Yes Mike that was me!

To paraphrase the point that Forum Member need to get over, its no good trying to swim against the tide and IMO .Tel is no longer 'A Toy for 'Techies' to play with.

'Joe Public' wants to keep it nice and simple: Ceo, Seo, BTW, FYI whats all that about?

Its time to start Talking the kind of language 'Joe Public' can understand.[/size]

teltheworld

04-25-2012 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeseaton (Post 22695)
OK last one to register a .tel at http://www.Telnames.com buys the beers !

I'm just trying to sort out a good name to register to check out what they have to offer in the only way possible - personal experience.

Mike Seaton

[size]
Where were you Mike? You are usually the first one out of the blocks lol[/size]

aliencafe

04-25-2012 06:37 PM

Just tried to reg an IDN, didn't work out.

mikeseaton

04-25-2012 06:51 PM

Telnames confirms 1 Page, No Subdomains

Here's the product info for the http://www.Telnames.com .tel offering - much as suspected from the examples already seen (info posted at http://www.telnames.com/features)

- Access to an online account to manage your .tel product(s)

- Access to an online control panel through which you can manage your .tel domain(s)

- Email based customer support

- Google Analytics available

- Hosting included in your purchase or renewal fee

- One page per domain

- One logo or photo per domain

- One movie per domain

- Up to 20 contacts per domain

- One offer per domain

- A gallery of images containing up to 5 images per domain

- Business profile and additional information to describe your business, products and services per domain

- Setting of location on Google Maps and Business Address

- Add or select a background image or change background colour

Mike Seaton

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-25-2012 06:59 PM

@dottel. Re your suggestions. They don't need help setting up their small business, but they will need help promoting their business .tel on-line. I still say without subdomains, promotion is now self-promotion. So even though the Telnames website says "A .tel name gives you more exposure in search results." that may be true for the exact match where people know you already, but the idea is to become known faster with a .tel. Just owning one won't help you on-line.

Having said that, I'm thinking of getting a Telnames name something along the lines of Promoting.tel, oh wait, I already have that and can't transfer it there. What about TheMissingLink.tel or GetExposed.tel ?)

However, it does now look like .Tel is truly getting aimed at Joe the Plumber. The more sales, the more exposure, the happier everyone will be. All the best to Telnames.

Mark

edit: just learned you can transfer once you have registered your first Telnames site.

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-25-2012 07:05 PM

I hope the revolution comes in the way Telnames decides to market their tel domains and that Telnames spins off its success to .tel in general. When that happens, the registrars will have an awakening.
Mark

mikeseaton

04-25-2012 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 22712)
All the best to Telnames.

Mark

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I agree - it's time to stop debating future permutations and see how best to promote .tel in the format that Telnic / Telnames are going to be pushing.

We know the deal - either you accept it or you don't - IMO if you don't there is not much point in continuing with .tel involvement.

I find it hard to think of Telnic and Telnames as two seperate entities, given that they have the same CEO Kash, the same CFO Fiona, work from the same offices, and Telnic staff were involved in testing the new Telnames template.

The only logical conclusion from the above is that Telnames represents the future direction of .tel.

That's OK - staying the same when things aren't working out (300K plateau and falling) wasn't really an option.

But I have 3 suggestions to help Telnames make headway quickly:

1. Add a procedure for domain transfers to Telnames (by tradition this is less than registration/renewal cost).

2. Allow entrpreneurs to generate revenue by adding a top and/or bottom AdSense banner.

3. Get an Affiliate scheme up and running very quickly (with 28 or 30 day cookie) - I have used http://www.CJ.com andhttp://www.TradeDoubler.com for years and they are both very effective at achieving sales for a merchant and revenue for a publisher.

Mike Seaton[/size]

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Post n°8

Re: Telnames.tel - interesting site...

by Telnic 2015-01-02, 5:43 am

mikeseaton

04-25-2012 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 22712)
edit: just learned you can transfer once you have registered your first Telnames site.

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Useful info Mark re my suggestion 1) above, did you notice the transfer cost ?

Mike Seaton[/size]

Michael

04-25-2012 07:20 PM

Getting so Close! I revied Telnames.com and actually bought one for specific purpose and to test. Things are getting so close to take .tel into the mainstream, but I believe sub domains are still needed to maximize potential and value!!

Hoping for step 2 from Telnames!

Michael

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-25-2012 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeseaton (Post 22718)
Useful info Mark re my suggestion 1) above, did you notice the transfer cost ?

Mike Seaton

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Nothing yet. Waiting on support@telnames
Mark[/size]

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-25-2012 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael (Post 22719)
Getting so Close! I revied Telnames.com and actually bought one for specific purpose and to test. Things are getting so close to take .tel into the mainstream, but I believe sub domains are still needed to maximize potential and value!!

Hoping for step 2 from Telnames!

Michael

[size]
Which domain?
Mark[/size]

mikeseaton

04-25-2012 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens (Post 22714)
But the video is excellent:
Welcome to Telnames

[size]
Agreed - gives what you need without any fluff - just like the new template !

If .tel does not succeed now we must conclude the idea was flawed - but I'm sure it will providing the pricing for registration / renewal / transfer is OK.

£14.95 currently equates to $24.16 which is over twice the cost at http://manage.name.com/pricing - but of course you don't know how long Name.com will continue offering .Tel Mark 1 prices if new registrants demand the new .Tel Mark 2 template ?

Mike Seaton[/size]

TELcp

04-25-2012 07:46 PM

So, Telnic was Phase One.
Now, Telnames is Phase Two.
Congratulations!

What would be the Phase Three?
Any educated guesswork??

mikeseaton

04-25-2012 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens (Post 22725)
Indeed .tel will become a success, because it's a great product;
but not because we have one more distributor!

[size]
Jens, Telnames is a lot more than that !

Quote:
[/size]

Originally Posted by mikeseaton (Post 22717)
I find it hard to think of Telnic and Telnames as two seperate entities, given that they have the same CEO Kash, the same CFOFiona, work from the same offices, and Telnic staff were involved in testing the new Telnames template.

The only logical conclusion from the above is that Telnames represents the future direction of .tel.

[size]
Mike Seaton[/size]

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-25-2012 08:01 PM

I think there needs to be a settling-in period while awareness and feedback grow. The video focus is on small business being mobile with an easily set up website and those are key selling points to push. Maybe we will see viral marketing in some manner soon in conjunction with conference next month. Not sure this is phase 2 as it still is the same platform, and found only in one spot. But a new approach to marketing could be considered phase 2 when we see Tel getting out to the masses.
Mark

maximka

04-25-2012 08:18 PM

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telrific

04-25-2012 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens (Post 22714)
But the video is excellent:
Welcome to Telnames

[size]
There's just one HUGE problem with this whole .TEL duplicity idea.

So, they're promoting Telnames, and as people discover .TEL and signup for .TEL,
they aren't going to know the difference between sources. Buying from Network Solutions
but expecting a Telnames template, or vice-versa is a complete disaster in the making.

:eek:[/size]

mikeseaton

04-25-2012 08:42 PM

Review Your Portfolio Now !

I've just been going through my .tel domain portfolio and reviewing which .tels will work with the new 1-Page Telnames template complete with video, image gallery, discount offer and max 20 contacts.

If you believe (as I do) this new Telnames template will become the de-facto standard within 12 months, the template people associate with when you mention .tel, then a certain number of .tels in a portfolio will become worth very little, whilst other ones value will soar.

Just got to get the develop/drop decisions right !

Mike Seaton

mikeseaton

04-25-2012 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by telrific (Post 22734)
Buying from Network Solutions
but expecting a Telnames template, or vice-versa is a complete disaster in the making.

[size]
Good point - my guess is that Telnames will quickly do deals with major registrars to handle the TelHosting for them (which gives registrants the new template) - leaving registrars to concentrate on their core competence which is domain registration and renewal.

For many multi-extension registrars I would imagine setting-up and maintaining a TelHosting secure server just for the .tel extension is a pain anyway, particularly in view of the relatively small number of .tel registrations most registrars have had to-date.

Mike Seaton[/size]

mikeseaton

04-25-2012 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens (Post 22738)
You must be dreaming.

I'm betting against it!

[size]
Have you never had a dream come true, Jens ?

Mike Seaton[/size]

maximka

04-25-2012 09:00 PM

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Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-25-2012 09:08 PM

Let's not forget that the goal of Telnames is to promote the .Tel platform. They need to keep an advantage to sell a more expensive product. In so doing, Telnic the registry starts to make money. If Telnames succeeds in rapid and wide recognition of .Tel, then all registrars can benefit equally and at that time this advantage can finally be shared among all registrars. Then the platforms will merge into one, prices will drop because the scale of sales will be able to support identical features.
Mark

maximka

04-25-2012 09:14 PM

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dottel.net

04-25-2012 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeseaton (Post 22736)
If you believe (as I do) this new Telnames template will become the de-facto standard within 12 months, the template people associate with when you mention .tel, then a certain number of .tels in a portfolio will become worth very little, whilst other ones value will soar.

[size]
i'm betting the opposite - subdomains are here to stay. the one pager version may prove popular but the powerful and valuable names will be the ones that make sense with subdomains...[/size]

Blunderer

04-25-2012 09:17 PM

You guys think too much. Here's something to help you relax http://qwest.tel

dottel.net

04-25-2012 09:18 PM

have to do something to pass the time while waiting to find out who plays chelsea in the final...

aliencafe

04-25-2012 09:27 PM

I'm looking at http://QWEST.tel on 2 24" monitors.

Very nice use of the background I feel like I'm there in the rainforest.

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Re: Telnames.tel - interesting site...

by Telnic 2015-01-02, 5:43 am

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-25-2012 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blunderer (Post 22756)
You guys think too much. Here's something to help you relax http://qwest.tel

[size]
That's quite the earful when you click that video.
Mark[/size]

Blunderer

04-25-2012 09:47 PM

Well enjoy it while you can folks because it won't always look and sound like that.

Gibran

04-25-2012 10:47 PM

I am not sure how all this will play out. Having different versions of the tel platform floating around will muddy the waters, cause a lot of confusion, and mitigate against one of the great selling points of Tel which is its simplicity. The simplicity will still be there but the perception of it may be quite different. This cannot be a good business strategy. What may be useful is if on registration one is presented with the different formats of TEL and one can choose the one he finds more useful for that particular domain name.
The current Tel owners are the best ambassadors of Tel, (I have been promoting Tel in my business place and have convinced quite a few business persons to purchase Tels; I would not do that for a .com or .co). Telnic should make every effort not to aggravate current Tel owners by leaving them holding the old version template while they may want to have the benefit of the new one. Some mechanism should be in place to offer a conversion if so desired, and also to provide the new template features to those who wish to maintain the directory-service model.
A business will not succeed if it loses its most trusted and loyal customers. It is not inconceivable that in a year's time another company comes along with a similar solution, (all is possible in this arena) maybe cheaper and sexier, and at that time Telnic/Telnames will need its old soldiers desperately.
It may be time to invest a little in getting the Marks and the Mikes and other senior Tellsters out to London for a little consultation.

maximka

04-25-2012 11:31 PM

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wibblenut

04-25-2012 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gibran (Post 22784)
I am not sure how all this will play out. Having different versions of the tel platform floating around will muddy the waters, cause a lot of confusion, and mitigate against one of the great selling points of Tel which is its simplicity.

[size]
Nooooooo! That's the beauty of it. The only commonality we need is the TelHosting API spec. We want *more* competing TelHosting providers offering *different* services. That is what will push innovation at both technical and business levels.

So I will measure the success of this not just in terms of the number of registrants, but the overall market provision of TelHosting (specialist registrars/resellers).

I have started a new thread, Your Ideal TelHosting Provider - let your imagination run wild![/size]

mikeseaton

04-25-2012 11:45 PM

Telnames uses the Power of John - Cool Stuff !

Mike Seaton

Gibran

04-26-2012 12:08 AM

Good point. did not consider that. However I think maintaining good 'relations' with current Tel holders is vital to the success of the enterprise

mikeseaton

04-26-2012 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blunderer (Post 22756)
You guys think too much. Here's something to help you relax http://qwest.tel

[size]
Well done Roy, one of us had to be first !

Mike Seaton[/size]

telrific

04-26-2012 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens (Post 22738)
You must be dreaming.

I'm betting against it!

[size]
Agreed.

;)[/size]

telrific

04-26-2012 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens (Post 22737)
Every registrar is able to create and offer different kind of templates (like TelChina or TelNames).

That's the same when you buy a .com: every registrar offers you different kind of hosting services and website builders.

Where is the problem?

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That's exactly the problem.

If every Registrar is doing something different under the .TEL name, disaster.

You will have a "domain name" available from many, but then never know who is doing
what when you purchase a .tel. Imagine if you had to shop through 1,000 registrars
just to see what was coming with a .com ? And expecting it's the same extension
and what comes with it ! Nobody offering domains has that confusion anywhere.

:([/size]

mikeseaton

04-26-2012 02:57 AM

Just registered my first Telnames .tel domain.

Using the web site for registration was easy and quick and led you naturally into the populating process in the new Control Panel (CP).

This CP is completely different from what we are used to and is very user-friendly for completely non-technical newbies.

I have only just started on the first bit of data entry so can't comment on whether everything is bug-free, but you do get a very professional impression from using the new CP - I can imagine even a technophobic small business user being comfortable with it and recommending it to fellow SMBs.

Only one issue so far (apart from the lack of an AdSense banner at top and/or bottom as previously mentioned) - the price at £14.95 equates to $24.16 which is over twice the price of using Name.com - see http://manage.name.com/pricing

There is the opportunity to enter a "Promo Code" at the point of payment - so it would be a good marketing ploy for Telnames to offer forum members such a code for a limited period to get them to try out the new template themselves.

How about it Kash ?

Mike Seaton

boracay.tel

04-26-2012 04:20 AM

It's great that swapping profiles still lets your contact information be updated on the move. You can achieve this with the iPhone app. What's the promo code? I would like to transfer some domains too

I understand that images etc need to be uploaded from an Internet cafe or a pc...
BUT, I hope that the iPad/iPhone soon gets the ability to add the photos and videos.
I rarely use a computer anymore. And that goes for all my family and friends. All mobile.
...only yesterday the news said apple have 350million active idevices being used. Ipads ALONE Outselling pc 2 to 1, and iPhones triple times the sales of iPads

I would really like to upload my photos from the iPad.
It's a fair request, because this is a mobile type of product.

Who do we direct these feature request questions too?

Geo	04-26-2012 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maximka (Post 22730)
If two directors of Telnic have now their own company "Telnames Limited", then they logically would be interested in promoting this their new business instead of promoting business of Telnic Limited. It seems for me, that from these activities could suffer shareholders of Telnic Limited (which interests could be neglected if favor of interests of this new company) and we, investors in TEL-domains, the development of which could be stopped for making no competition for Telnames Limited.

Is it a legal practice in Britain to do things in such way?

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I think Maximka has a point. I don't know about the legality involved, but this I do know: Telnic promised some new templates to the standard offering and didn't deliver them (yet) - was it because their developers were pulled off to work on the Telnames project? It would seem so.

And what of the limitations put on Telnames Tels... Does this necessarily imply a change of direction for Telnic's standard offering as well? Not according to Aled:

"As has been mentioned on the forum several times, Telnic has made it possible for Registrars to host and maintain their own CTH and as such produce their own proxy variations. Any features/restrictions that are made in these custom versions have no impact on the standard CTH which is provided by Telnic to all registrars, including the number of records in a folder, the number of characters permitted in each section and the number of subfolders permitted."

I have to hope that Telnic is trying to motivate the registrars to do more with Tel, not less... and to inspire competition for more and better features. To speculate that subfolders will be gone in a year or so drives a thorn into the heart of my Tel dreams every time I read it. Please... let's stop the divisive speculation and pull together for more features for all, and for more choice, not less. Videos, image gallery, background images are all nice additions - to be celebrated. As for the limitations on Telnames Tels, well maybe that's a calculated tradeoff in order to appeal to a certain segment of potential Tel owners; perhaps Tel is not a one size fits all?

Take away subfolders and Tel is done for geo and other generic Tels. And I'm not alone from what I've read here. Had there been no subfolders to begin with I would have said 'pass' on Tel. I'd really prefer to put this thought out of my mind now so I can put my full zeal into development, and not be afraid that many hours and many dollars going into my efforts on Tel will all be a waste.

Perhaps an even stronger message is needed from Telnic on this - please drive a final nail in the coffin of that speculation once and for all!?![/size]

telrific

04-26-2012 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geo (Post 22803)
.. Take away subfolders and Tel is done for geo and other generic Tels. And I'm not alone from what I've read here. Had there been no subfolders to begin with I would have said 'pass' on Tel ...Perhaps an even stronger message is needed from Telnic on this - please drive a final nail in the coffin of that speculation once and for all!?!

[size]
Agreed. x2.

:)[/size]

Blunderer

04-26-2012 08:52 AM

Mike,

I can certify that the Telnames CP is genius proof. It took me 4-5 mins to set up http://qwest.tel - half of that deciding on images. The only thing I don't (still don't) understand is the bit about allowing customers to access something (no subfolders?). Telfriends has always been a mystery to me - I don't understand it, and I don't have any friends.

I'd like to see a retrospective PROMO code.

Blunderer

04-26-2012 09:23 AM

My husband doesnt have any friends because he spends all his time on .tels and their development .
I am sick to death of it .This week he promises me that he will finish loading Crediton.tel so next week I
am selling Tiverton .tel .We will let you know how we get on .

What is stopping the rest of you doing the same?

This forum needs more women on it to get things moving .

Mrs Blunderer.

P.S. This will teach Blunderer to leave this open when he is out of the room.

dutchstreetdog

04-26-2012 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blunderer (Post 22808)
My husband doesnt have any friends because he spends all his time on .tels and their development .
I am sick to death of it .This week he promises me that he will finish loading Crediton.tel so next week I
am selling Tiverton .tel .We will let you know how we get on .

What is stopping the rest of you doing the same?

This forum needs more women on it to get things moving .

Mrs Blunderer.

P.S. This will teach Blunderer to leave this open when he is out of the room.

[size]
You have a fine men Mrs. Blunderer
Here in holland he made hisself immortal And found à friend for life ![/size]

dottel.net

04-26-2012 09:58 AM

lol - you could be onto something here. we should give our partners access a day a week to our forum accounts and let them post. could do wonders for this forum and ermmm .tel

maximka

04-26-2012 10:36 AM

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Blunderer

04-26-2012 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blunderer (Post 22808)
My husband doesnt have any friends because he spends all his time on .tels and their development .
I am sick to death of it .This week he promises me that he will finish loading Crediton.tel so next week I
am selling Tiverton .tel .We will let you know how we get on .

What is stopping the rest of you doing the same?

This forum needs more women on it to get things moving .

Mrs Blunderer.

P.S. This will teach Blunderer to leave this open when he is out of the room.

[size]

[size=48]WHAT?[/size]

Now she knows that I like the Bagpipes! :o[/size]

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Post n°10

Re: Telnames.tel - interesting site...

by Telnic 2015-01-02, 5:43 am

tel4rent

04-26-2012 11:17 AM

@Mrs. Blunderer @ Mr. Blunderer

That was a great input...LOL

Just to let you know that you are not alone. We've been doing the same since last year and had very good results...

Keeping faith.

telrific

04-26-2012 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens (Post 22816)
That's not true: the registrars just can change the design; the main functionality of .tel domains stays the same.
Where is the disaster?

Competition is good for the market; it motivates the participants to deliver better products than their competitors!

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Show me one domain that you purchase that is different from the others.

All are open, except .tel which is what sets it apart from the others.

That simple premise is enticing, so you buy one.

Only the registrar you got it from doesn't offer that template, design, etc., etc., etc.

Who's going to support .tel if they have to sort through 1,000 different options to find the .tel registrar that's trying to give them what they want ?

The pricing alone has the registrar's going from feast to famine with transfers.

The feature differences will have them REALLY messed up.

:eek:[/size]

telrific

04-26-2012 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens (Post 22816)
Competition is good for the market; it motivates the participants to deliver better products than their competitors!

[size]
Competition is only necessary for those with an equal start.

.TEL already had the advantage of an exclusive structure and an exclusive directory.

(see masteraddress.org)

Competition within is not beneficial, it's self-destructive posturing.

Should have just done better as a WHOLE .tel effort on the advantages.

:([/size]

telrific

04-26-2012 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens (Post 22829)
Have you ever spoken to an economist?

[size]
Have you ever seen politics ?

This is the point, .tel had the economic advantage, now it's political infighting.

;)[/size]

telrific

04-26-2012 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens (Post 22827)
I would be very happy if every registrar offers me different kind of templates.
I would choose the one I like the most and will register my .tel domains there!

The more options the customers have, the more alive the market will become!
And the good thing is: every visitor of .tel domains still can use every .tel domain in the same way, doesn't matter from which registrar.

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And you would also be happy if all the registrars offered more of the same templates.

100 registrars x 1,000 = 100,000 templates and the registrars get hurt fighting.

100 registrars with 100,000 templates and it's all good for .tel

:eek:[/size]

telrific

04-26-2012 01:30 PM

Whole point is the "liberal" or "conservative" approach.

All other domains offer the "liberal" approach.

.TEL was different and enticing because of the "conservative" approach.

We can all build our own cars and drive them around too, but sometimes
it's better to have a framework of rules to do it within for everyone's safety.

.TEL was FINALLY a highway we could count on without the chaos.

Now ???

telrific

04-26-2012 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens (Post 22834)
You are exaggerating!

It's not so easy to create a new template; Telnic is struggling more than a year just for 3 new templates!

So if we'll have 30 new templates in 5 or 10 years, it should be just fine.

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That was a mathematical example for choice that exists for registrants, but without chaos, not a real number !

:)[/size]

Blunderer

04-26-2012 02:21 PM

@tel4rent,

Excellent. That's the best news I've had all day (you've seen that I haven't had much).

Blunderer

04-26-2012 02:40 PM

Breeding templates!

The one place that Telnic and Telnames come together is TelPages - stick with, and promote that and it doesn't matter how many different templates there are.

Castrate Bingloo, I say.

mikeseaton

04-26-2012 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by telrific (Post 22825)
Only the registrar you got it from doesn't offer that template, design, etc., etc., etc.

Who's going to support .tel if they have to sort through 1,000 different options to find the .tel registrar that's trying to give them what they want ?

The feature differences will have them REALLY messed up.

[size]
Telrific, you are right !

If .tel attempts to market itself as "all things to all men" then 2012 will be the beginning of the end for the .tel extension.

What must be appreciated is that .tel is effectively a new product to "Joe Public" so the marketing message must be consistent, simple and clear.

If Telnames were a completely independent company I might agree with those who say it's just a diversion for a limited market sector by a new entrant to .tel, but as we all know Telnames Limited is not independent (except in the legal sense) of Telnic Limited.

The same CEO, the same CFO, the same offices, Telnic staff obviously involved in the development of the Telnames template - it seems pretty clear that Telnames represents the preferred future direction of .tel !

Must finish now - I've got some background image and photo gallery selection to do for my first Telnames .tel (a main city geo) - then check out how it looks on the iPad.

First impressions count a lot in life - this new template (with it's image-based focus) is very impressive - just need that Promo code now so I can afford to register / transfer some more .tels to Telnames !

Mike Seaton

PS. I do believe 2012 will see some registrars do a deal with Telnames so they handle the TelHosting (which of course comes with the new template), leaving the registrar free to concentrate on their core competence of domain registration and renewal.[/size]

telrific

04-26-2012 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blunderer (Post 22841)
The one place that Telnic and Telnames come together is TelPages - stick with, and promote that and it doesn't matter how many different templates there are ..

[size]
This is very true, TelPages is the factor that as the driver can keep it all together, will it though ?

The Yellow tie is still a major cohesion factor too, like it or not, it's the industry tie that also will make .tel and TelPages successful.

I got one telnames to check out the cp - it's perfect for the masses, I'll say that !

gyp.tel

And Yes, purple and yellow can live together naturally !

:)[/size]

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-26-2012 04:30 PM

@telrific, nice plug - gys.tel
Mark

telrific

04-26-2012 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 22854)
@telrific, nice plug - gys.tel
Mark

[size]
Kinda neat, eh ?

;)[/size]

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-26-2012 04:39 PM

And nice of Telnames also to recognize your YS branding, shows that Telnames is built on the exact same platform as Telnic. (And hence no technical reason why Telnames can't be expanded with some subdomains too.)
Mark

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-26-2012 04:50 PM

@telrific And you nailed it with your background image too.
Mark

aliencafe

04-26-2012 04:57 PM

I'm impressed with http://GYP.tel . Excellent job

telrific

04-26-2012 05:07 PM

Thanks all for the kind words.

I wanted to see if the platform structure was the same, very good to see that it was.

Amazing image isn't it, I was a bit awestruck to find it, certainly fitting !

:eek:

telrific

04-26-2012 05:09 PM

What I like the most is that I didn't have to go to a .com for the directory !

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-26-2012 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by telrific (Post 22861)
What I like the most is that I didn't have to go to a .com for the directory !;)

[size]
Oh you mean YS.tel ?
Mark[/size]

telrific

04-26-2012 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 22862)
Oh you mean YS.tel ?
Mark

[size]
Yes, that's exactly what I meant, and thanks to subfolders !

The advertising is a big plus too of course.

:)[/size]

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Re: Telnames.tel - interesting site...

by Telnic 2015-01-02, 5:44 am

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-26-2012 05:38 PM

Telnames should promote your new site at Telnames.com.
Mark

aliencafe

04-26-2012 05:42 PM

Some of the premium names are really going to look great on the Telnames platform. I commend those who have already done an awesome job.

telrific

04-26-2012 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 22866)
Telnames should promote your new site at Telnames.com.
Mark

[size]
Their call, I've no qualms.

:o[/size]

telrific

04-26-2012 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aliencafe (Post 22868)
Some of the premium names are really going to look great on the Telnames platform. I commend those who have already done an awesome job.

[size]
Hopefully it will drive the same interest in names that it did in the beginning, 2009.

I think this is why many general availability drops were suddenly renewed at the last minute.

That's a promising sign to all of us .TEL geeks that would've been here regardless,
as it includes the less technically inclined and disheartened from throwing in the towel suddenly.

It's more of a "handshake" than we may appreciate today, I just hope the TelPages
"glue" is there to keep that from being more than a "handshake before the fight".

ding ding.

:([/size]

Blunderer

04-26-2012 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blunderer (Post 22841)
The one place that Telnic and Telnames come together is TelPages - stick with, and promote that and it doesn't matter how many different templates there are.

Castrate Bingloo, I say.

[size]

Should have said Telnic, Telnames and the Registrars come together, and no, I don't think there should be thousands, hundreds or even tens of different templates.

In an ideal world, Telnic would use the reaction to the added functionality of Telnames (positive I would say) to encourage the registrars to assist in support of a super template.

Maybe they are?

The problem, of course, is where to set the intermediate targets in a continually progressive environment.

(with a pack of Wolves baying at your heels)[/size]

telrific

04-26-2012 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blunderer (Post 22876)
Should have said Telnic, Telnames and the Registrars come together, and no, I don't think there should be thousands, hundreds or even tens of different templates.

In an ideal world, Telnic would use the reaction to the added functionality of Telnames (positive I would say) to encourage the registrars to assist in support of a super template.

Maybe they are?

The problem, of course, is where to set the intermediate targets in a continually progressive environment.

(with a pack of Wolves baying at your heels)

[size]
Well said !

:)[/size]

maximka

04-26-2012 06:19 PM

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Blunderer

04-26-2012 06:24 PM

@telrific,

GYP? SPOT ON.

telrific

04-26-2012 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blunderer (Post 22880)
@telrific,

GYP? SPOT ON.

[size]
Thanks ! Seems to be a popular notion after all ! (yes, got it)

:cool:[/size]

dialaroom

04-26-2012 06:28 PM

Frankly, at the moment I'm not impressed with Telnames one page .tels. In fact I'd go as far as to say I just don't get it - a pretty picture background, a few more in a tiny slideshow, add a few details. Wow! so what.

If I were Telnic I'd be worried if this became the general perception of what is a truly amazing tld.

I hope I change my mind, but at the moment, to me, it's like a book cover without a book. I wish I'd kept my money. Sorry.

telrific

04-26-2012 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maximka (Post 22879)
By mу еуеs, whеn pеоplе drоp suсh prеmium nаmеs likе Bооkmаkеr, Wаtсhеs, Саmping аnd еtс, this shоws thаt things gо nоt in thе right dirесtiоn. Tоо mаnу invеstоrs аrе nоw drоpping.

[size]
This has been the case for 2 years, with many grabbing drops, but you are certainly
right about the rate increasing for quality drops.

This is why there was at least a bright side to watching our backorders disintegrate the past several days,
when renewals suddenly sprang up with the Telnames.com public activation.

:([/size]

telrific

04-26-2012 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dialaroom (Post 22883)
Frankly, at the moment I'm not impressed with Telnames one page .tels. In fact I'd go as far as to say I just don't get it - a pretty picture background, a few more in a tiny slideshow, add a few details. Wow! so what.

If I were Telnic I'd be worried if this became the general perception of what is a truly amazing tld.

I hope I change my mind, but at the moment, to me, it's like a book cover without a book. I wish I'd kept my money. Sorry.

[size]
Look at Facebook, shallow success at its finest.

added: It still beats the heck out of a Yellow Pages ad.[/size]

TELcp

04-26-2012 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maximka (Post 22879)
By mу еуеs, whеn pеоplе drоp suсh prеmium nаmеs likе Bооkmаkеr, Wаtсhеs, Саmping аnd еtс, this shоws thаt things gо nоt in thе right dirесtiоn. Tоо mаnу invеstоrs аrе nоw drоpping.

[size]
The reason for this is that these investors did not know exactly what a .tel domain can do and how in can be developed. They (Domainers in general) probably invested just for the sake of investing in domain names. Obviously the .tel is not an ordinary domain. It is a place for communication. So, one needs to invest in the right tel domain name(s) to make use of it as a place for communication or to to develop it to provide the same service what it is intended to do.

Recent drops of tels and drop catching is the best proof/indication where the tel is heading for and what interests people may have developed in .tel or what people think how others would look at the .tel in the future.

The name of the game is name.
One may call it tel name, tel names or what ever.
Its all in the name of the same game.

Cheers![/size]

telrific

04-26-2012 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens (Post 22887)
This whole excitement is completely senseless!

[size]
So is Facebook. Who knows what's going to go viral and why exactly.

Not comparing the two, just never know why sometimes things do is all !

:confused:[/size]

maximka

04-26-2012 07:06 PM

----- deleted because of forum migration -----

TELcp

04-26-2012 07:23 PM

What I do not understand is how many people are obsessed with the background picture.
It is just useless on a mobile proxy.
The mobile customer is the future.
Whatever the innovations that is done to the .tel should be done paying more attention to the future mobile users of the .tel.

++++

Simon G

04-26-2012 07:32 PM

The background image is prob popular because it mimics twitter/about.me etc however it get blocked by my works firewall. Twitter and about.me don't get
Blocked.

In my opinion the option of background image is better than being stuck to a plain background for desktop users. Although its the inlaid mobile friendly gallery , video and static map window that are deal breakers to me. Hopefully the start of promising improvements.

TELcp

04-26-2012 07:58 PM

Mimicking others is not going to help the .tel at all, because other TLDs can do it better than .tel (as .tel has its own restrictions).
And it will be a losing battle. Waste of time and money.
Above all, delaying other development efforts.

.tel should maintain its own identity by promoting its own technology.
Today there is a growing tendency to destroy its own uniqueness (i.e. its unique long tail sub domain structure, Private Data system, Profiles etc).

:confused::confused::confused:

boracay.tel

04-26-2012 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TELcp (Post 22899)
What I do not understand is how many people are obsessed with the background picture.
It is just useless on a mobile proxy.
The mobile customer is the future.
Whatever the innovations that is done to the .tel should be done paying more attention to the future mobile users of the .tel.

++++

[size]
iPad users are mobile.
iPads outsold computers by 2 to 1 in the past 3 months alone. see here/
The background image actually looks awesome on the iPad.
There needs to be a toggle collapse/expand put at the top of the contact card, so that the background graphic can be Seen in all it's glory[/size]

telrific

04-26-2012 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TELcp (Post 22899)
What I do not understand is how many people are obsessed with the background picture.
It is just useless on a mobile proxy.++++

[size]
Same with Twitter users by the millions, maybe they can shed some light.

:confused:[/size]

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Re: Telnames.tel - interesting site...

by Telnic 2015-01-02, 5:44 am

mikeseaton

04-26-2012 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boracay.tel (Post 22904)
The background image actually looks awesome on the iPad.
There needs to be a toggle collapse/expand put at the top of the contact card, so that the background graphic can be Seen in all it's glory

[size]
Requested by myself and others in recent posts as well.

A few hours to design/code/test - maximum benefit for minimal outlay by Telnames.

I hope they make this simple change a.s.a.p.

Mike Seaton[/size]

mikeseaton

04-26-2012 10:22 PM

Transfers to Telnames

Has anyone set up a transfer of a .tel yet to Telnames - or established the pricing ?

Mark, I know you made an email enquiry a little while ago - any response ?

Thanks.

Mike Seaton

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-26-2012 10:31 PM

They said as soon as I paid for my first then I could transfer others. Well I have yet to find a suitable candidate to purchase thru them so haven't pleasured the experience. Still waiting on that Forum Promo Code Kash
Mark

dottel.net

04-26-2012 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simon G (Post 22900)
The background image is prob popular because it mimics twitter/about.me etc however it get blocked by my works firewall. Twitter and about.me don't get
Blocked.

In my opinion the option of background image is better than being stuck to a plain background for desktop users. Although its the inlaid mobile friendly gallery , video and static map window that are deal breakers to me. Hopefully the start of promising improvements.

[size]
that's because their image server is hosted on port 8444 - most corporate firewalls lock down all ports except that standard 80, etc
It's an easy fix for them and probably just an oversight when launching into production from the dev servers....[/size]

mikeseaton

04-26-2012 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 22916)
They said as soon as I paid for my first then I could transfer others. Well I have yet to find a suitable candidate to purchase thru them so haven't pleasured the experience. Still waiting on that Forum Promo Code Kash :)

[size]
Thanks for the response Mark - I can't afford to transfer .tel domains in bulk to Telnames when they are charging nearly 3 times the cost of a $8.99 transfer to Name.com !

Transfers are traditionally cheaper than registrations / renewals anyway - check out http://manage.name.com/pricing - £14.95 is currently $24.18 according to http://www.xe.com/ucc

Mike Seaton[/size]

Geo	04-27-2012 03:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blunderer (Post 22808)
My husband doesnt have any friends because he spends all his time on .tels and their development .
I am sick to death of it .This week he promises me that he will finish loading Crediton.tel so next week I
am selling Tiverton .tel .We will let you know how we get on .

What is stopping the rest of you doing the same?

This forum needs more women on it to get things moving .

Mrs Blunderer.

P.S. This will teach Blunderer to leave this open when he is out of the room.

[size]
Hahahah... At least his username is honest - speaking of blunders, but his choice of partners sure wasn't a blunder. Keep up the great work over there![/size]

Geo	04-27-2012 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by telrific (Post 22831)
And you would also be happy if all the registrars offered more of the same templates.

100 registrars x 1,000 = 100,000 templates and the registrars get hurt fighting.

100 registrars with 100,000 templates and it's all good for .tel

:eek:

[size]
I think the model that seems to be working well is that of Wordpress... it comes with a decent variety of free templates and plug-ins, as well as a host of more elaborate and complicated templates and plug-ins which you have to pay for. At the same time, more ambitious or capable people can create their own templates or plug-ins. Wordpress is a major hit because it is quite good out of the box, but is not limited by that box.

Tel should follow a similar model imho. Variety is the spice of life, and options = liberty. Nothing worse than confinement and suppression of creativity and incentive to innovate.

Why not make Tel a great product right out of the box, but an awesome product for those who feel so inclined? This also stimulates a marketplace for those who provide add-ons and unique options.

It's a bit of a catch 22 though, because no one is going to put in a lot of effort building templates, plug-ins, etc, unless there is critical mass; and critical mass can only be achieved by a product that is rich in what it offers at very modest cost. I applaud Telnames for introducing an option... hopefully some registrars take the bait... then we're off to the races.[/size]

telrific

04-27-2012 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geo (Post 22938)
Why not make Tel a great product right out of the box, but an awesome product for those who feel so inclined? This also stimulates a marketplace for those who provide add-ons and unique options.

It's a bit of a catch 22 though, because no one is going to put in a lot of effort building templates, plug-ins, etc, unless there is critical mass; and critical mass can only be achieved by a product that is rich in what it offers at very modest cost. I applaud Telnames for introducing an option... hopefully some registrars take the bait... then we're off to the races.

[size]
Well put, but it's not the chicken and the egg, it's more a matter of:

"Nothing ventured, nothing gained." = "Nothing ventured (well), nothing gained (well)."

:)[/size]

TELcp

04-27-2012 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by telrific (Post 22905)
Same with Twitter users by the millions, maybe they can shed some light.:confused:

[size]
But .tel and twitter are two different concepts.

++++[/size]

telrific

04-27-2012 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TELcp (Post 22955)
But .tel and twitter are two different concepts.

++++

[size]
Oh absolutely, but the background picture is used on Twitter as a user choice regardless
of the differences in the content of the two concepts.

Many Twitter pages are created, designed, and abandoned too, but at least they were designed !

Facebook and Twitter are generally mindless chatter anyway, at least .TEL has substance.

The substance being your choice of direction for mindless chatter, but at least substance.

:D[/size]

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-27-2012 02:33 PM

Trying to make it easy to view the Telnames sites.
Mark

mikeseaton

04-27-2012 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 22984)
Trying to make it easy to view the Telnames sites

[size]
Great idea Mark, though you might want to remove "Tel of the Week" to avoid confusion as it links to the original-style templates

Mike Seaton[/size]

mikeseaton

04-27-2012 11:29 PM

Henri.tel

I noticed today that Henri Asseily, Telnic's Chief Strategist & CTO, has now joined the Telnames template users with his http://Henri.tel

Be interesting to see how Henri - a subdomain user with the old-style template - manages to present his key information with the new template restriction of no subdomains and max 20 contacts.

It can be done - just needs a bit of careful thought about how your present the data you want viewed - and cutting out what's not really necessary.

I am having to do that with the new Telnames city geo I am creating - think about what really is important (you can easily find out what users actually search for) and focus on that.

This tends to make for a better user experience anyway - and of course the user doesn't have to wait for new pages to load.

Mike Seaton

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-28-2012 12:34 AM

@mike, I can see where you are going with your Chicago experiment. However I don't see value yet in it via Telnames. You'd have been far better off with a subdomained .tel as you'd have far more capabilities. Telnames domains are like having a baby web account. Once you need more power, in your case links, you need to upgrade the account. With Telnames, there is as yet no upgrade path. Telnames accounts are suitable for a simple web presence for a small business, but they grow and need more features. I think Telnames will be forced to introduce subdomains to their power users, sooner rather than later. In that case, you'll be all set to take on Chicago.
Mark

tel4rent

04-28-2012 06:21 AM

@Mark!

That shows that transferring a domain from one hosting to another should be relatively easy

telrific

04-28-2012 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeseaton (Post 23017)
I noticed today that Henri Asseily, Telnic's Chief Strategist & CTO, has now joined the Telnames template users with hishttp://Henri.tel[/URL] ...

[size]
I would still take this: van.tel

Over this: kash.tel / henri.tel

If I had to choose between the two forever as my .tel space.

:o[/size]

TELcp

04-28-2012 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 22984)
Trying to make it easy to view the Telnames sites.
Mark

[size]
Very outdated strategy in today's web to compete with other TLDs.
I can't believe it is happening.

The new features would have been alright with the existing system.
Then it has a touch of Uniqueness of its own technology.
Then there is something to market in it.
Now what?
Wait for .phone Sunrise?

Anyone with PHP + HTML5 + Javascript can make such web sites and probably give away FREE with a banner ad not related to the page owner's biz/profession/content.

P.S. Talking about new Telnames sites[/size]

dottel.net

04-28-2012 09:37 AM

i agree somewhat with your perception here. hence i'm keen to see how this goes over at the bstartup show where THE TARGET is exposed to this. folks will vote with their feet, so watch the reg numbers

Geo	04-28-2012 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by telrific (Post 23026)
I would still take this: van.tel

Over this: kash.tel / henri.tel

If I had to choose between the two forever as my .tel space.

[size]
No kidding... and van.tel is just scratching the surface. He could also use his Tel as a kind of directory of his favorite bookmarks, or whatever... to try to convince people that a one-pager is better is like trying to pull some kind of Jedi mind trick ('These are not the subfolders you're looking for'). :D[/size]

TELcp

04-28-2012 10:13 AM

Well, I wish Telnames all the success.

But, unfortunately, .tel is inviting more and more competition to it.
The unwanted environment for competition is automatically created with the new set up.

++++

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Re: Telnames.tel - interesting site...

by Telnic 2015-01-02, 5:44 am

Geo	04-28-2012 10:37 AM

Looking at Justin.tel - now there's a Tel I can sink my teeth into.

He would need 5 - 10 Telnames Tels just to cover what he's currently got on there, in a well organized tidy and richly informative package. If Justin flips over then the lamentations will begin in earnest. Until then I hold on to hope for my (and Justin's ?) vision of Tel to at least retain a viable long term niche in the Tel ecosystem.

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-28-2012 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dottel.net (Post 23030)
i agree somewhat with your perception here. hence i'm keen to see how this goes over at the bstartup show where THE TARGET is exposed to this. folks will vote with their feet, so watch the reg numbers

[size]
I sure hope that Telnames comes to their senses before the show and puts in a limited number of subdomains with an SEO wizard for the layman. That will put some teeth into this offering. I am really sorry to say that currently it is not much better than what About.me offers for free.

Mark[/size]

TELcp

04-28-2012 12:32 PM

Just wondering where would telnic.tel fit in the new set up.

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-28-2012 12:37 PM

Firstly, www.Telnic.tel needs a facelift: add images on the right (people at work at Telnic offices), a marketing banner at the bottom and a video promoting Telnames to small business. Then take one of their reserved names like Name.tel and introduce it as a Telnames template, linked from Telnic.tel and Telnic.org.

Mark

edit: and change the colour scheme and use constrained News Stream template. Narrow with black fonts. All 4 colours are used. Make it POP please.

TELcp

04-28-2012 12:44 PM

@Mark

You mean to say that Telnic is also a SMB?

++++

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-28-2012 12:53 PM

Jens set up a nice looking TelService.tel with coupon for discounted Tel site.

Telnames: the coupon should be an optional hot link.

Mark

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-28-2012 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TELcp (Post 23041)
@Mark You mean to say that Telnic is also a SMB? ++++

[size]
No, why you get that idea? Used for marketing.
Mark[/size]

telrific

04-28-2012 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geo (Post 23031)
... to try to convince people that a one-pager is better is like trying to pull some kind of Jedi mind trick ('These are not the subfolders you're looking for').

[size]
Right again you are young master.

Yoda

:p[/size]

TELcp

04-28-2012 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 23043)
No, why you get that idea? Used for marketing.
Mark

[size]
Trying to figure out how a large company would fit into the Telnames' setup.

:confused:[/size]

TELcp

04-28-2012 01:09 PM

Has anyone spotted any community club using the new template?
Waiting to see how more than 20 club members going to be linked outward (to their individual Telnames' new templates; registering 20+ new tel domains :D) from the new template.

:confused::confused:

Blunderer

04-28-2012 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TELcp (Post 23047)
Has anyone spotted any community club using the new template?
Waiting to see how more than 20 club members going to be linked outward (to their individual Telnames' new templates; registering 20+ new tel domains :D) from the new template.

:confused::confused:

[size]

You make a good point, and it's not just membership you might need sub folders for:

http://crediton-rugby-club.sports-an...e.crediton.tel

What is also annoying with the Telnames sites is the very small limit on descriptive text in the record box accompanying links, and also the header.[/size]

maximka

04-28-2012 02:59 PM

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mikeseaton

04-28-2012 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 23042)
Jens set up a nice looking TelService.tel with coupon for discounted Tel site.

Telnames: the coupon should be an optional hot link.

[size]
Nice site Jens - if you can't beat them join them ?

Good point Mark re the coupon - should be a quick & easy mod if Telnames agree to it.

Mike Seaton[/size]

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-28-2012 06:17 PM

I love the look of TelNames and it does have an advantage over About.me as people will be able to own their own shorter domain name. But About me can add an image gallery and video at any time. Selling a prettier .Tel with no additional benefits at a higher price doesn't seem like the formula for success.

Perhaps I am wrong, but Telnames is underestimating what SMB needs to compete in their local community.

Mark

mikeseaton

04-28-2012 06:28 PM

Mark, do you have a few example fully-loaded (video, image gallery etc) About.me sites to quote for comparison purposes ?

Not everyone appreciates the security of having their data under their own domain name, so it would be interesting to compare what you get with the About.me free offering versus the Telnames paid offering.

Mike Seaton

telrific

04-28-2012 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 23058)
I love the look of TelNames and it does have an advantage over About.me as people will be able to own their own shorter domain name. But About me can add an image gallery and video at any time. Selling a prettier .Tel with no additional benefits at a higher price doesn't seem like the formula for success.

Perhaps I am wrong, but Telnames is underestimating what SMB needs to compete in their local community.

Mark

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I would agree.

It is now a tug of war between -

"style and simplicity" vs. "depth and advertising"

Understanding what an SMB needs to compete would typically put the lean towards the second.

If we get the local/vertical advertising together and spreading, it will be very obvious which is the better choice for SMB marketing, that's for sure.

:cool:[/size]

TELcp

04-28-2012 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 23058)
But About me can add an image gallery and video at any time.Mark

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Yes, they can do it in no time.
Wish I owned the about.me to show others how similar services can be a real threat to the new setup.

:o[/size]

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-28-2012 08:09 PM

About.me is geared towards people and but their introductory video includes online business. So far it's a central repository for your links, but that will change from what I heard - it's owned by AOL.

Where both are the same:

background image
profile image or icon
similar links to social sites
similar share buttons
links to external webpages.

Where About me is better:

it's free
built-in traffic statistics
has better promo and marketing
gives away free business cards for joining.

Where Telnames is better:

own your own domain
real-time access to information
email address
business address
contact fields
image gallery
video
map
better presentational layout
H1 meta tag for SEO
you own and control your content
geared towards business.

Telnames could offer a promo discount, probably should (will?) at the Business Expo. Telnames future advantage is that it could expand to support business better with subdomains.

I created a page - couldn't finish it as their interface is buggy.

All in all, Telnames beats About.me in all technical categories. Promotion and price are another matter.

Mark

Gibran

04-28-2012 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 23042)
Jens set up a nice looking TelService.tel with coupon for discounted Tel site.

Telnames: the coupon should be an optional hot link.

Mark

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Re the Offer - Should we not be able to link directly from the coupon to TelPlus.org?[/size]

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-29-2012 01:51 AM

Updated TelNames viewer with more sites.
Mark

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Re: Telnames.tel - interesting site...

by Telnic 2015-01-02, 5:44 am

mikeseaton

04-29-2012 02:21 AM

ChicagoUSA.tel

Have now populated my Telnames domain http://ChicagoUSA.tel bought to check out their service.

I would very much like AdSense to be available on Telnames domains, but in it's (hopefully temporary) absence I have created potential sources of revenue generation on http://ChicagoUSA.tel

1. Hotelopia affiliate link - they are one of the top USA hotel performers on http://www.Cj.com

2. Amazon affiliate link.

3. eBay affiliate link.

4. Facebook/Twitter/Video/Web links to my search engine http://www.Net-Link.com - I can then monetise the traffic there.

5. Domain For Sale link leading to Sedo.

So even with a restriction of 20 contacts there is revenue potential with Telnames - I just need to get it linked to from as many places as possible now !

Mike Seaton

mikeseaton

04-29-2012 01:22 PM

ChicagoUSA.tel Hotelopia affiliate link

Could someone based in the USA please do a check for me.

Click http://ChicagoUSA.tel then click the 3rd link down - Hotelopia

Please could you advise me:

1. Are the prices shown in $ (USD) ?

2. Is the phone number in the top right a USA number ?

When viewed from the UK Hotelopia shows prices in £ and a UK phone number of 0871 711 9494 - I just want to check what USA citizens see.

Thanks in anticipation.

Mike Seaton

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-29-2012 01:25 PM

@Mike, in Canada showing as Pounds and UK phone number.
Mark

mikeseaton

04-29-2012 01:31 PM

Thanks Mark for the info - hope to hear from a USA forum member soon as well.

For anybody looking to earn affiliate commission I would definitely recommend http://www.CJ.com (particularly if you are North American based)
- http://www.TradeDoubler.com is also good but tends to be more UK and Europe focussed.

I use both on various .com sites - plus link to them via text links from .tels as shown by the Hotelopia example.

Mike Seaton

PS. Worked out a solution now. Hotelopia is not auto-detecting user location and setting the currency, so I have set a currency parameter myself to the value for USD, the best default for Chicago hotels. You do sometimes need to check things like this with multi-country affiliate links !

telrific

04-29-2012 01:55 PM

In the United States:

Please could you advise me:

1. Are the prices shown in *$* (USD) ? YES

2. Is the phone number in the top right a USA number ? YES - A TOLL FREE NUMBER

mikeseaton

04-29-2012 01:59 PM

Thanks Telrific - my currency parameter is working OK !

Mike Seaton

telrific

04-29-2012 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeseaton (Post 23093)
Thanks Telrific - my currency parameter is working OK !

Mike Seaton

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Working great and looking great !

:cool:[/size]

TELcp

04-29-2012 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeseaton (Post 23089)
When viewed from the UK Hotelopia shows prices in £ and a UK phone number of 0871 711 9494 - I just want to check what USA citizens see.
Mike Seaton

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It is very convenient if you use proxy sites of different countries to check how they view from their end. That is what we usually do for testing. (But do not use any password protected sites).

Cheers![/size]

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

05-11-2012 02:36 AM

Looks like TelChina created a Telnames site: namotel.tel
Mark

aliencafe

05-11-2012 02:48 AM

Namotel.tel has an interesting offer 75% off.

Good find Mark.

mikeseaton

05-11-2012 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 23476)
Looks like TelChina created a Telnames site: namotel.tel
Mark

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Very interesting find Mark - here's the Whois http://www.easywhois.com/?domain=namotel.tel

The registrant Lucy Wang is one of the founders of TelChina - so does this mean the thousands of TelChina domains are moving to Telnames ?

Now that would give a boost to the Telnames template total registrations !

Mike Seaton[/size]

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

05-11-2012 03:24 PM

Probably wants to be part of the marketing Telnames will provide.
Mark

mikeseaton

05-11-2012 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 23502)
Probably wants to be part of the marketing Telnames will provide.

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Makes sense - if true that re-enforces the notion that .tel's future is going to be set by the Telnames template.

I'm waiting to see if Name.com and/or Dynadot.com offer the Telnames template - I certainly can't afford to transfer more than the odd one or two to Telnames at the current rate of $24.07 (£14.95 converted by xe.com) compared to the normal approx $10 cost !

Mike Seaton[/size]

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

09-07-2012 09:55 PM

New stuff?

Anybody spot anything new with TelNames templates lately? I found two things recently.
Mark

Blunderer

09-08-2012 10:13 AM

Yes - two.

Gibran

09-08-2012 04:32 PM

Well guys?? Quit the suspense .... :):)

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

09-08-2012 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gibran (Post 25537)
Well guys?? Quit the suspense .... :):)

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OK, check out one of the first telnames listed at teldomains.co. Two new features.
Mark[/size]

aliencafe

09-08-2012 08:36 PM

Mark, are you talking about the min. function that reduces the info and the descriptions on the gallery?

Gibran

09-08-2012 08:54 PM

Ok Mark, I see the 'click to see full background-picture' feature and I see a "back-to-top" notation at the bottom of the screen (which btw does not work)....

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

09-08-2012 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gibran (Post 25542)
Ok Mark, I see the 'click to see full background-picture' feature and I see a "back-to-top" notation at the bottom of the screen (which btw does not work)....

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and new PDF linking, I suppose for documents like menus
Mark[/size]

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Re: Telnames.tel - interesting site...

by Telnic 2015-01-02, 5:44 am

Gibran

09-08-2012 10:05 PM

?? .... as in Sherifflodge.TEL .....

Our Brochure - Hosted by Telnames.com.

Thought .... The power of it would be greatly enhanced if the label "Our brochure" were editable .. the document could then be many other docs other than a "brochure'. Good.

Blunderer

09-08-2012 10:18 PM

"Back to top"? I can't see that.

I did see the driver of Ama Taxis' funeral car - could make you want to hang on a bit longer, but if you can't hang on, tell your next of kin not to book Wings of White to release white Doves if the Whitegrove Hawks are still nearby!

I also noticed that you now have twenty records - up from sixteen, I think, and that you can't set the display to closed - because it has no "open" option.

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

09-09-2012 03:45 PM

The addition of PDF's is a good thing for small business. Most have collateral materials in the form of brochures, pamphlets, menus, product lists. Now they can scan their paper and convert to PDF (free solutions online) and have extra information available in their Telnames site.

What we need then is a similar offering inside professional .Tel, not hosted but recognizing a PDF and displaying a PDF icon which would link to externally hosted PDF image.

Mark

TELcp

09-09-2012 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 25551)
What we need then is a similar offering inside professional .Tel, not hosted but recognizing a PDF and displaying a PDF icon which would link to externally hosted PDF image.Mark

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Yes, good to have the PDF icon added to the Telnic's default icon list and program the system to recognise the PDF extension accordingly.

Well, it is not a difficult thing to do.
But all depends on WHEN will it happen!

Cheers![/size]

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