hobo wrote:This is from other forum about what bad is in Telnames:
As far as I understand the situation is - for our money Telnik management created a new company that is using Telnik technology platform and is planning to act as a superstructure above it. Why I say "for our money?" - because Telnik employees instead of working on the development of standard solutions, work for a company Telnames.
In my opinion is no question of closing the .tel zone or something similar there, but here is the inadequacy of Telnik in having not a desire to develop standard products and to market .tel, but instead they play their game in the darkness with no respect to the users, and used repression that they arrange in their forum and actual moves which for me resembles attempt of fraudness - and it make me afraid. Now Telnik forum is becoming a mouthpiece of Telnames, due to some users who are clearly are paid posters.
Now becomes clear to many of the Telnik earlier moves: for example, the desire to make new functions without integrating them into a standard panel, which should force users to buy services of Telnames. Although the integration of such functions like advertising and video to standart panel is not a difficult job for a company if freelancers do this very quickly.
In any case, I think we must be prepared to act decisively in defense of our rights, and for this we must unite, as it is obvious Telnik go now far away from the direction of the original stated goals.
Well they did own telnames domain a while before all this and I always thought it was "for our money" which is why I screamed and shouted so I'm not just a paid mouth piece of or for them regardless of if I choose to try it out for a year to learn more about it for £5, I redirect so no loss, not knowing what something is on the inside makes it harder to articulate the truth, at least by trying it we can formulate a substantiated opinion about aka it gives us a better perspective.
I don't want to be seen as a sell out or a turn coat but I feel I have enough knowledge to say that from my own perspective I have to give them the time and the benefit of the doubt right now as even though I can't agree with some things they have chosen to do, we have a large gap in knowing whats going on and what all this costs and it's staggering compared to owning 1-30 .tel domains if they're not just a registrar in name only.
Anything anyone does is for profit? very few do it because it's their desire to see a better world, also they can't close the .tel zone that all other registrars use as that's a legal agreement with icann that they allow others to do such and I don't think that's in the interests of being fair play and not having an unfair advantage so telnames can't be the only 'provider', but if you want conspiracy you'd need to prove or suggest that they factored in that no registrar would do the development and they'd get to do it as it would show iccan, who would then let them turn a profit.
Anyway they have to have the public version but you might be right about them being seen as a layer on top but any registrar even telchina could be seen as the same, but telnames happens to be them and other registrars no matter how much we contacted them, shouted and screamed would not do this kind of development as the costs might be immense and their return is small though existing registrars had the advantage of capital being in place from other domains they sell in bulk but the costs they'd get back from running their own proxy is small unless they do what I suggested to act as a bank with a virtual currency plugged into their customers wallets, not literal wallets the virtual wallets they all ready have and cream a little something from every transaction, and let artists sell backgrounds and themes 'a tel store', I have no problem with paying once a year a little more to an artist that came up with a new way of displaying my information and if telnames or telnic or another registrar creamed something off of that transaction so be it, it's drives a micro economy and I get to look better.
When I wanted us to run a proxy I went to icann and looked up the requirements for myself you can see them here:
http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/accreditation/financials US$3,500 non-refundable application fee, to be submitted with application.
US$4,000 yearly accreditation fee due upon approval and each year thereafter.
Applicants seeking initial accreditation must demonstrate the ability to procure liquid capital immediately available in the applicant's name at the commencement of the accreditation period in an amount of US$70,000 or more before the ICANN accreditation becomes effective.
US$77,500 just to get started and then you have costs for developer wages, tax, marketing etc so let's say US$100,000 - £50,000-60,000 aka 100,000.00 USD = 63,840.92 GBP
http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert/?Amount=100000&From=USD&To=GBPSo just to be a registrar you need like $70,000 or more in the bank even to just apply so that you have emergency capital, now mark I believe he said they are using a loop hole to only look like a registrar and I don't see them on this list
http://www.icann.org/registrar-reports/accredited-list.html so does this prove they're only a registrar in name and don't need US$77,500 just to get started? well that's in their favor and our favor I would guess as they avoid the need to be putting up large amounts of capital and fees, but that also means any money we give them goes direct to the developers and artists at this time and as that £5 offer is on they're not just getting £5 it's likely being back funded by the magazine that it's published in aka they make up the difference of £5-£14 so telnames aka telnic is getting the full amount, but after most of the main work is done they'll be raking in the profit but then that's the fault of the registrars who neglected us and might be the spark that pushes them to look at what they can do with .tel.
We have to be realistic no one else can and will do it so why not just let them carry on then roll over the code with different themes and slightly different CP theme to the regular proxy?
The only issue really is the sub domain issue, the cost of telnames and the new theme issue, the cost of telnames doesn't matter to us as I don't think we'll be forced to use them so that renders the sub domain issue inert so as we don't need to leave name.com and other registrars we should have nothing to worry about.
So anyway the point is any registrar has the ability to run and develop and attract customers to rake in profits, they haven't done so and they've truly abandoned us just like domainmonster did when they spent years not visiting the forums or gave us redirecting emails for .tels for double the cost of name.com, and if telnic want to do the development I say let them.
On top of what ever it's maybe costing Justin to fund the pay for developers and artists and marketing, getting a loan in this economy is tough he may have mortgaged his house and sold his car for all we know so because maybe the massive financial aspect is high, and we have to assume they can't take money from telnic as an alleged separate business for legal reasons then these running costs have to be met by someone somehow.
Or theres the other possibility of executives sitting at telnic doing nothing for the last 3 years when they realized it was not living up to the projected returns, then making massive income to funnel into telnames as the real goal or secondary goal to make their money back.
Either way business is business as long as we get what we're willing to pay for I can wait one more year before taking part in a lawsuit, how about you?