Tel Search box

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Tel Search box

by Telnic 2015-01-02, 12:06 pm

Geo	04-16-2012 10:17 PM

Tel Search box

Can someone help me understand exactly which fields, which data in a Tel is actually searched when a user hits the button on my Tel?

I'm assuming that no matter from which subfolder the search is clicked it will search all subfolders of that .Tel domain? And what happens if multiple pages are returned... in which sequence of priority are they returned?

Title?
Text Header?
Contact item description?
Contact item value?
Keyword title and value?

Ideally, it would be all, but I guess there may be valid reasons for excluding some.

Thank you very much.

tel4rent

04-17-2012 08:31 AM

i can tell you for sure that it only works once your domain and sub folders have been indexed by Telpages. It is usually quick but can take up to 24h. In some instances, it did not index the subdomains for unknown reasons to me, but eventually indexed it after a while.

At this stage, i am not too sure if Telpages is still indexing of subdomains + info...It seems that it is taking longer than usual. I am still waiting for one of my .Tel to be indexed...additional sub-domains.

The biggest draw back about Search (although it is should be one of our core selling point and strength), on the mobile it throws the results on an "ugly" inconsistent page that link to a page that is not related to your own .tel.
Also, once you use the Search box, the entire URL changes...it shows some "http://a1.webproxy.nic.te" and from there onward it just look ugly.

To answer your questions:
1- Header
2- url link
3- keywors and free text
4- addresses

Above is based on my testing...need to be confirmed by Aled.

Voila! hope they will put more attention on this particular feature. We have raised it many many times.

Even Search across multiple domains was in the pipeline

Keeping faith...

Aled	04-17-2012 08:54 AM

Geo - Telpages searches the Title, Text Header and Keywords. It doesn't currently search contact records. It does search through Sub-domains, but only if they are linked to the "root" (home) .tel. If you create a subdomain that is not linked then it will not be found by Telpages.

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-17-2012 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aled (Post 22293)
but only if they are linked to the "root" (home) .tel. If you create a subdomain that is not linked then it will not be found by Telpages.

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@Aled, linked to or linked from the root? Please clarify as what happens with hidden subdomains that are not linked from the root but from another subdomain on same domain?
Mark[/size]

Aled	04-17-2012 12:20 PM

Telpages crawls from the root. If there is a path from there to the subdomain then it will find it. If it is completely "orphaned" then it will not be indexed.

dialaroom

04-17-2012 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 22296)
@Aled, linked to or linked from the root? Please clarify as what happens with hidden subdomains that are not linked from the root but from another subdomain on same domain?
Mark

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Asked this when starting Taxinumbers.tel, with 1800 or so hidden root folders not being indexed. Only way around this was to have a root level a-z (or site map, or whatever you wish to call it) folder which eventually links back to each root level folder, then they were all indexed within 24 hours.[/size]

dottel.net

04-17-2012 01:47 PM

it does NOT need to be linked at the root folder. as long as there is a path to it originating from the root folder it will still get indexed. Any folder not on such a path will NOT get indexed.

let me know if you want to see working examples of this.

TELcp

04-17-2012 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aled (Post 22297)
Telpages crawls from the root. If there is a path from there to the subdomain then it will find it. If it is completely "orphaned" then it will not be indexed.

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Yes, it is correct.
Proof is at 7seas.mytown.tel

But, TelPages indexed only 3 pages from mytown.tel over a period of 9 months whereas Google has searched much more than thatduring the same period.

So, how can we expect the TelPages to be in the forefront of the .tel search?

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tel4rent

04-17-2012 01:51 PM

Aled,

Appreciate your feedback on the following:

Link created : dr.smith.mytown.tel (hidden)
Subfolder: mytown/medicine/doctors

Create a .Tel record (under doctors subdomain/subfolder):
Description: Dr. Smith
Data: dr.smith.mytown.tel

Question:
1- Will dr.smith.mytown.tel be indexed byt telpages?
2- Will description Dr. Smith be indexed?
3- Will Header, keywords under dr.smith.mytown.tel be indexed?

Thank you for clarifying.

Aled	04-17-2012 01:57 PM

TelCP, if there are any more than those 3 pages with content which Telpages does index then please let me know and we'll investigate.

Every page that I've checked in the Google search results has been empty apart from ads. As an end- user I'd be happier with Telpages which is only returning pages with content.

mikeseaton

04-17-2012 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TELcp (Post 22307)
Yes, it is correct.
Proof is at 7seas.mytown.tel

But, TelPages indexed only 3 pages from mytown.tel over a period of 9 months whereas Google has searched much more than that during the same period.

So, how can we expect the TelPages to be in the forefront of the .tel search?

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@TELcp

Thanks for the plug for Net-Link Tel Search in much more than that - clicking any of the headings above the search box on the results page will repeat the search for Facebook etc. without rekeying.

Mike Seaton

PS. Nice to see the thumbnail images coming up against some of the mytown.tel subdomains.[/size]

TELcp

04-17-2012 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aled (Post 22309)
TelCP, if there are any more than those 3 pages with content which Telpages does index then please let me know and we'll investigate.

Every page that I've checked in the Google search results has been empty apart from ads. As an end- user I'd be happier with Telpages which is only returning pages with content.

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I'm sorry Aled, it hasn't.
I have maintained mytown.tel as it is, without any change, from day one just to see how long will TalPages take to index at least the links on the root page (mytown.tel).
Some of those folders do have content with the word "mytown". Some don't (purposely left like that to check how the TelPages work.
So, does this mean that TelPages is not doing what it is supposed to do?

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TELcp

04-17-2012 02:27 PM

RE: MYTOWN.TEL

mytown.tel is a demo site to explain our 4 Step method we used to achieve short telpage URLs.

We did not want to populate empty pages until we identify the search pattern/behaviour /Algos of TelPages. We will populate it only after a year from the date of its creation.

In fact, we are monitoring the behaviours/ indexing pattern/ changing Algos of .tel indexing by other search engines as well.

Its a long term project to find out how to start building/developing our premium tel domains.

tel4rent

04-17-2012 02:34 PM

Aled,

I can confirm that one of my entry on my domain (following the same principle as the other links on the same domain) for the past 3 days has not been indexed.

regards,

TELcp

04-17-2012 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeseaton (Post 22311)
PS. Nice to see the thumbnail images coming up against some of the mytown.tel subdomains.

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net-link.com/tel does do the job what it is supposed to do.
But I dont agree when it pulls an Ad image as thumbnail.
IMO, It would look better if the thumbnail is restricted to pull only the logo if present, otherwise leave blank.

Cheers![/size]

TELcp

04-17-2012 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tel4rent (Post 22314)
I can confirm that one of my entry on my domain (following the same principle as the other links on the same domain) for the past 3 days has not been indexed.
regards,

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I am waiting for it to happen for the last 9 months, my dear friend !

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Aled	04-17-2012 02:51 PM

tel4rent - thanks for providing the details of the specific issue. We're looking into it for you.

TelCP - if it hasn't been indexed after a few days then it won't be, so if there is a specific folder that you are waiting for please let me know so I can investigate. Please note that a folder needs to contain at least one contact record in order for Telpages to recognise it as having any relevant content and indexing it.

Blunderer

04-17-2012 02:58 PM

@TelCP,

What happens when you put a live record on the front page (email, web, etc.?

TELcp

04-17-2012 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aled (Post 22317)
TelCP - if it hasn't been indexed after a few days then it won't be, so if there is a specific folder that you are waiting for please let me know so I can investigate. Please note that a folder needs to contain at least one contact record in order for Telpages to recognise it as having any relevant content and indexing it.

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Thanks Aled, I'll let you know by mid July, as I do not want to disturb its content until we complete our study/experiment.

Cheers![/size]

TELcp

04-17-2012 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blunderer (Post 22319)
@TelCP,
What happens when you put a live record on the front page (email, web, etc.?

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G crawls/indexes email addresses, phone numbers, url links etc.
We have tested it on other .tel test sites.
G indexing is very fast (probably within 24 hrs if a link is provided from the right tel site).
This is one of G's behaviours we have noticed on .tel pages.

Tip: Create a blog at blogspot dot com and let it become little popular. Then put a link from there to your .tel site. Frequency depends on how frequent you add fresh contents to your blog.

Tweets also give somewhat similar indexing.

:cool:

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P.S.

@Blunderer

I am aware of your other .com site quicklookmedia.
Nice work.[/size]

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Re: Tel Search box

by Telnic 2015-01-02, 12:06 pm

Blunderer

04-17-2012 03:30 PM

@TelCP,

Sorry, my post crossed with Aled's - same purpose.

TELcp

04-17-2012 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TELcp (Post 22320)
Thanks Aled, I'll let you know by mid July, as I do not want to disturb its content until we complete our study/experiment.
Cheers!

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Aled, while we are still here, I would appreciate if you can investigate why TelPages failed to index at least following tel pages during the last 9 months. All of them have had records since day one.

http://accommodation.mytown.tel/
http://atms.mytown.tel/
http://auditors.mytown.tel/
http://bakeries.mytown.tel/
http://banks.mytown.tel/
http://cars.mytown.tel/
http://community.mytown.tel/
http://educational.mytown.tel/
http://groceries.mytown.tel/
http://health.mytown.tel/
http://legal.mytown.tel/
http://legal.mytown.tel/
http://pharmacies.mytown.tel/
http://pets.mytown.tel/
http://pubs.mytown.tel/
http://restaurants.mytown.tel/
http://repairs.mytown.tel/
http://shopping.mytown.tel/
http://takeaway.mytown.tel/
http://taxis.mytown.tel/
http://high-street.mytown.tel/
http://ocean-road.mytown.tel/

And, I would also like to know how TelPages managed to index and record following two tel Pages skipping their parent pages.

7seas.mytown.tel
greatwall.mytown.tel

Our experiment is to prove that it is possible to provide a visually acceptable short tel name created by means of a category/sub-category tree and is indexed accordingly by major search engines.

For instance, we want people to search 7seas hotel mytown OR 7seas mytown and be on top of the search results.

Thank you in advance.[/size]

Aled	04-17-2012 04:27 PM

TelCP -when I say it needs a contact record, it needs to be something other than a link to another .tel (non-terminal naptr). From the first few of these that I have looked at it seems to be that they only have links to subdomains.

mikeseaton

04-17-2012 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TELcp (Post 22315)
net-link.com/tel does do the job what it is supposed to do.

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Thanks for the comment re Net-Link Tel Search

Quote:
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Originally Posted by TELcp (Post 22315)
But I dont agree when it pulls an Ad image as thumbnail.
IMO, It would look better if the thumbnail is restricted to pull only the logo if present, otherwise leave blank.

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Valid point - but unfortunately it's not something I have control over - Google embeds the image it chooses to in the file it passes back for display by http://www.net-link.com/tel

This appears to be the first image that Google encounters on the page - so if there is a .tel logo this is likely to be used instead
- see http://www.net-link.com/tel/search.a...itish+columbia for examples of the .tel logo being displayed.

Mike Seaton[/size]

TELcp

04-17-2012 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aled (Post 22333)
TelCP -when I say it needs a contact record, it needs to be something other than a link to another .tel (non-terminal naptr). From the first few of these that I have looked at it seems to be that they only have links to subdomains.

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Thanks Aled, now I agree with you regarding that.
It means that the requirement (for TelPages indexing) for a link is to have a NAPTR record which is a standardized Enumservice type. i.e. web:http, web:https,

Is there any way that the Algorithms of TelPages be modified to crawl/index all non-terminal NAPTR?
Without doing that there is no meaning in having a search engine for the .tel.

I can understand, TelPages not indexing empty pages.
But why not highlighting .tels own technology in its own search engine?

And, without non-terminal NAPTR links, the beauty of the .tel domain is destroyed.

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Geo	04-17-2012 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aled (Post 22293)
Geo - Telpages searches the Title, Text Header and Keywords. It doesn't currently search contact records. It does search through Sub-domains, but only if they are linked to the "root" (home) .tel. If you create a subdomain that is not linked then it will not be found by Telpages.

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Thanks Aled.

So then that any info put into the Notes records will be ignored as well as the description fields of other contact records? I like that it's possible to put quite a bit of info into Notes and link description fields, but this means that I will have to duplicate that information in the keywords section to make it searchable. Maybe this is necessary anyways to be indexed by Google?

Maybe someone already mentioned this, and I missed it, but does Google index the same fields as Telpages, or does Google also index on the Notes and Contact description info?

Also, what is the sort order of searches returning more than one result? Let's say I make a search for abcd and that text is in the following subfolders...

sub1.main.tel title
sub1.main.tel text header
sub7.main.tel keywords
sub8.sub5.main.tel title
sub2.sub2.main.tel text header
sub1.sub1.main.tel keywords

Thanks again.[/size]

Aled	04-17-2012 05:13 PM

TelCP - Surely the end user is searching for content, rather than navigation pages, which are the pages filled just with non-terminal naptrs (links to other .tels)?

I fully agree that non-terminal naptrs are essential for navigating .tels, but I don't follow your logic that pages with just these links would be of any interest to a user who is searching Telpages for content, be it a plumber, electrician etc. They want to get to the contact details page, not the page before. which contains the navigation to that page.

Geo	04-17-2012 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aled (Post 22333)
TelCP -when I say it needs a contact record, it needs to be something other than a link to another .tel (non-terminal naptr). From the first few of these that I have looked at it seems to be that they only have links to subdomains.

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Would a Notes field qualify?[/size]

Aled	04-17-2012 05:16 PM

Geo - that is correct regarding Telpages not currently indexing notes.

With regards to how it determines the order in which results are returned I'm sure that you understand that I can't go into those details and more than Google would.

Geo	04-17-2012 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aled (Post 22338)
TelCP - Surely the end user is searching for content, rather than navigation pages, which are the pages filled just with non-terminal naptrs (links to other .tels)?

I fully agree that non-terminal naptrs are essential for navigating .tels, but I don't follow your logic that pages with just these links would be of any interest to a user who is searching Telpages for content, be it a plumber, electrician etc. They want to get to the contact details page, not the page before. which contains the navigation to that page.

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With respect to this, I was working on a page that links to subfolders, but has a useful description for each link... for example let's say a page linking to 10 hotels, and in each description it might mention how many stars, features, price, etc... then the person decides which link to click to go to the page for that hotel, which of course has the hotel phone number, and more detailed info.

So for someone just searching for a specific hotel they could navigate directly using the search box, but if someone is drilling down the directory they might find the info in the higher page useful - whether or not this is info they might search on depends.[/size]

Geo	04-17-2012 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aled (Post 22340)
Geo - that is correct regarding Telpages not currently indexing notes.

With regards to how it determines the order in which results are returned I'm sure that you understand that I can't go into those details and more than Google would.

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I see - in other words, results may vary and be dynamic, depending on your algorithm changing to meet changing conditions. Okay... if it's important then I should do my own testing. Does this mean that Google doesn't index notes too?[/size]

TELcp

04-17-2012 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aled (Post 22338)
TelCP - Surely the end user is searching for content, rather than navigation pages, which are the pages filled just with non-terminal naptrs (links to other .tels)?
I fully agree that non-terminal naptrs are essential for navigating .tels, but I don't follow your logic that pages with just these links would be of any interest to a user who is searching Telpages for content, be it a plumber, electrician etc. They want to get to the contact details page, not the page before. which contains the navigation to that page.

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Thanks for the explanation, Aled.
I am only trying to establish the best SEO methods for the tel pages of niche directories.
Now I understand it fully.

One last question..
May I know what is the revisit policy of TelPages crawlers?

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Aled	04-17-2012 05:46 PM

Any new or updated content is indexed with each crawl, which can vary in time depending on the volume of data to be indexed. It is generally every 1 - 3 days.

TELcp

04-17-2012 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aled (Post 22345)
Any new or updated content is indexed with each crawl, which can vary in time depending on the volume of data to be indexed. It is generally every 1 - 3 days.

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Thanks Aled for all that information.
And hope this conversation was helpful for other forum members as well.

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Blunderer

04-17-2012 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aled (Post 22338)
TelCP - Surely the end user is searching for content, rather than navigation pages, which are the pages filled just with non-terminal naptrs (links to other .tels)?

I fully agree that non-terminal naptrs are essential for navigating .tels, but I don't follow your logic that pages with just these links would be of any interest to a user who is searching Telpages for content, be it a plumber, electrician etc. They want to get to the contact details page, not the page before. which contains the navigation to that page.

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Aled,

Is this what you mean? http://d0.telpages.com/result.action...diton+builders[/size]

dialaroom

04-17-2012 06:07 PM

"search my tel" is great if every title is unique, as, if it finds just 1 result, it returns that page not a link to it. This looks brilliant if you have a directory of unique keyword titles, type in that keyword and the page you are looking for is displayed, not just its link.

Taxinumbers.tel asks users to type in a town and it instantly displays that page, not a list of hundreds and hundreds of mainly useless results, that no-one can be bothered to scroll down and read - especially on a mobile phone - and I now only develop .tels with mobile phones in mind. Don't you?

Geo	04-18-2012 08:02 AM

Thanks to all for making this thread packed with info - for a day or so there was nothing, and then BAM it just exploded with responses. Be careful what you ask for on this forum you just might get it and then some.

TELcp

04-18-2012 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aled (Post 22297)
Telpages crawls from the root. If there is a path from there to the subdomain then it will find it. If it is completely "orphaned" then it will not be indexed.

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I am sorry to drag you back on the same topic Aled, but there is another question.

Supposing I have a hidden sub domain called "hideout" in mytown.tel and hideout.mytown.tel does have few NAPTR records.
Obviously, this sub domain is not going to be indexed by TelPages.com from the root of mytown.tel
That is understood.

Now I create a http link to hideout.mytown.tel from demo.telcp.tel.
Will hideout.mytown.tel be indexed by TelPages.com in this case?

Thanks in advance.[/size]

Aled	04-18-2012 05:28 PM

TelCP - yes it will.

Geo	04-18-2012 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aled (Post 22382)
TelCP - yes it will.

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Then it won't be a hidden secret anymore. ;)[/size]

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Re: Tel Search box

by Telnic 2015-01-02, 12:07 pm

Aled	04-19-2012 09:46 AM

Further to my earlier post, I understand that the indexing of Telpages, due to the vast number of subdomains it now has to visit, is at times taking close to 4 days. We are looking at ways to reduce this, but in the meantime if you are setting expectations for directory customers, please set these realistically based on this.

TELcp

04-19-2012 10:17 AM

@Aled

Is there any way to request TelPages Crawlers to pay regular visits (higher frequency) to selected (upon approval by Telnic/TelPages.com) tel domains whose links will definitely end up with a NAPTR record(s) ?

TelPages can then penalize tel domains without content (NAPTR records) and change the frequency of revisits by Crawlers accordingly.

We are investigating possibilities to improve our services to TELcp clients, who are building Niche Directories, by introducing different methods of creating/populating sub folders.

Thanks in advance.

tel4rent

04-19-2012 10:35 AM

Aled,

Thanks for fixing the issue...I have sent you another DM.

TELcp

04-19-2012 10:36 AM

re: indexing mytown.tel

Re: indexing mytown.tel
I am glad to see, just now, that TelPages.com crawlers have indexed 11 more pages in less than 24 hours (mytown.tel was last updated at 1322GMT yesterday for experimenting)
Looks like TelPages is getting friendlier with mytown :cool:

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Aled	04-19-2012 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TELcp (Post 22416)
Is there any way to request TelPages Crawlers to pay regular visits (higher frequency) to selected (upon approval by Telnic/TelPages.com) tel domains whose links will definitely end up with a NAPTR record(s) ?

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TELcp,

I'm not sure I follow completely, are you asking for a process whereby certain folders which are not currently indexed because they do not have NAPTR records should be crawled more frequently than other pages?[/size]

TELcp

04-19-2012 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aled (Post 22421)
TELcp,
I'm not sure I follow completely, are you asking for a process whereby certain folders which are not currently indexed because they do not have NAPTR records should be crawled more frequently than other pages?

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No, what I want to know is if it is possible for tel Owners to have any arrangement with TelPages to visit the domains more frequently if all its folders have at least one NAPTR record in each of them.

And, to do the opposite (to visit less frequently) if the domain contains folders (or at least a single folder out of many folders) without NAPTR record(s).

Thanks.[/size]

Aled	04-19-2012 02:42 PM

Thanks for clarifying. It's not possible at the moment and in my opinion it would be difficult to justify Telpages indexing some .tel owners' .tels more regularly that others.

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-19-2012 02:53 PM

Aled, while we are talking about Telpages, what happened to my suggestion to have an API call to immediately requeue a domain for reindexing?
Mark

Aled	04-19-2012 03:07 PM

Mark - that suggestion is still on our development suggestions list.

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-19-2012 03:21 PM

@Aled, I'm sure it is. Are there plans to seriously look at it and implement it? As long as not abused (you can limit by IP or CTH account), it would solve the problem TelCP talks about and allow for real-time information to go out to the community via mapping apps, eg coupons.
Mark

wibblenut

04-19-2012 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 22426)
Aled, while we are talking about Telpages, what happened to my suggestion to have an API call to immediately requeue a domain for reindexing?
Mark

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Well what we need is an agreed mechanism for TelHosting providers to notify subscribers (i.e. search engines) about zone changes. That way every .tel-powered search engine will have a real-time index of every domain.

This could be done in any number of ways (the idea of slave nameservers intrigues me) or with a simpler "firehose" RSS feed (probably best since all TelHosting providers should implement it).[/size]

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-19-2012 04:41 PM

Slave nameservers posting zone changes via RSS or directly to subscribers is very clever. Would rather see Telpages as the funnel rather than individual subscribers per provider. Centralize into Telpages and subscribe to Telpages for the value-added content. This would allow Telpages to become a better clearinghouse of real-time information to subscribers such as, we would eventually hope, Yellow Pages and other on-line directories.
Mark

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-19-2012 04:44 PM

Also, by letting the Telhosting providers feed Telpages upon changes, it would relieve the overhead of Telpages going out to index 95% of domains unnecessarily, as nothing would have changed. And since Telpages currently doesn't index NAPTR records because of this overhead, it would mean that Telpages could finally index everything that changes. This is a totally different approach to how Telpages gets it data now and seems to be much more efficient and timely.
Mark

Simon G

04-19-2012 09:20 PM

a search for ian bm does not show on telpages tonight..

wibblenut

04-19-2012 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simon G (Post 22432)
a search for ian bm does not show on telpages tonight..

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Yeah, because he just transferred it to Telnames and hasn't recreated his records yet.[/size]

Simon G

04-19-2012 09:42 PM

Ok just thought search would still pick up header info

mikeseaton

04-20-2012 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wibblenut (Post 22433)
Yeah, because he just transferred it to Telnames and hasn't recreated his records yet.

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Normally swtiching between registars using Backup/Restore is not a problem because the TelHosting is identical i.e. the software in both cases is supplied by Telnic.

But with the switch to http://Telnames.tel, with its own unique TelHosting, presumably it won't be possible for us to use Backup/Restore from the current Telnic TelHosting - this would seem to be the case shown by the currently emptyhttp://ianbm.tel

So Telnames looks like a "re-input your data from scratch" situation - hopefully the price for transfers (as distinct from the registration cost) will be attractive enough to encourage the switch - the going rate is usually $10 or less - Name.com is $8.99 (seehttp://manage.name.com/pricing).

Mike Seaton[/size]

Geo	04-20-2012 07:13 PM

Did I miss something? Sorry if this has already been discussed, but I thought that Telnames is a one-pager only... in which case you couldn't restore anyways at least from multi-page sites. And 1 pager is no big deal to re-enter anyways.

If Telnames does support multi-page (subdomained) Tels then it would be in their interest to provide their own version of restore to accommodate those coming from other registrars, I would imagine... and it shouldn't be such a big deal to make some needed changes, should it?

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)

04-20-2012 08:30 PM

I cannot see any reason why Telnames would not be compatible with all .tel domains. When you examine the DNS records for their domains versus std .tel, they are 99% identical. The 1% is the additional parameters to support background image and image gallery. The objects like Hours of Operation are standard extensions to search keywords (which I already support), and the coupon is just another ad image type which is easily supported.
Mark

dottel.net

04-20-2012 09:07 PM

per the telhosting spec, any custom proxy provider has to adhere to the standard spec so i wouldn't expect to see any differences to existing records and only additions to support new functionality.

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Re: Tel Search box

by Telnic 2015-01-02, 12:07 pm

Blunderer

04-20-2012 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aled (Post 22414)
Further to my earlier post, I understand that the indexing of Telpages, due to the vast number of subdomains it now has to visit, is at times taking close to 4 days. We are looking at ways to reduce this, but in the meantime if you are setting expectations for directory customers, please set these realistically based on this.

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Actually, it's taking five days. Re. crediton.tel

Musgrave Bickford Antiques have just become searchable through TelPages this evening - created 16th April (mid afternoon).

Dart Electrics - created 16th April (evening) still not showing.

It's a good job I don't send out invoices for telephone sales until the search is functioning.[/size]

Geo	04-20-2012 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 22459)
I cannot see any reason why Telnames would not be compatible with all .tel domains. When you examine the DNS records for their domains versus std .tel, they are 99% identical. The 1% is the additional parameters to support background image and image gallery. The objects like Hours of Operation are standard extensions to search keywords (which I already support), and the coupon is just another ad image type which is easily supported.
Mark

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That makes sense of course, but so far we haven't seen any Telnames Tels with subfolders, so I would imagine that the ability does exist, but just hasn't shown up on our radar yet in any of the test domains we've encountered. Has anyone asked Telnames about subfolders?[/size]

TELcp

04-21-2012 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blunderer (Post 22474)
Actually, it's taking five days. Re. crediton.tel

Musgrave Bickford Antiques have just become searchable through TelPages this evening - created 16th April (mid afternoon).

Dart Electrics - created 16th April (evening) still not showing.

It's a good job I don't send out invoices for telephone sales until the search is functioning.

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Just a suggestion..
You can always include this in TOS to your clients as you will have to depend on Algorithms of TelPages that can vary in the future. And will be beyond our control as TelPages will be compelled to adjust itself to meet the demand of growing number of sub domains/records in the future.

Who knows may be one day TelPages will be busier than Google:)

Cheers![/size]

telrific

04-21-2012 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TELcp (Post 22482)
.... Who knows may be one day TelPages will be busier than Google:)

Cheers!

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There's no reason for it not to be busier in future as a local directory, that's for sure !

:cool:[/size]

dottel.net

04-21-2012 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blunderer (Post 22474)
Actually, it's taking five days. Re. crediton.tel

Musgrave Bickford Antiques have just become searchable through TelPages this evening - created 16th April (mid afternoon).

Dart Electrics - created 16th April (evening) still not showing.

It's a good job I don't send out invoices for telephone sales until the search is functioning.

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out of interest - are users of crediton.tel actually using telpages? to date, none of my customers used or cared to go to telpages. it's seeing their details in our directory and then indexed by google, bing, etc they've cared about.[/size]

Blunderer

04-21-2012 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TELcp (Post 22482)
Just a suggestion..
You can always include this in TOS to your clients as you will have to depend on Algorithms of TelPages that can vary in the future. And will be beyond our control as TelPages will be compelled to adjust itself to meet the demand of growing number of sub domains/records in the future.

Who knows may be one day TelPages will be busier than Google:)

Cheers!

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This week, I've been busier than Google!

Anyway, we will tell customers that because of the phenomenal uptake of our new local directory there may be a delay in the display of their details whilst we adjust resources.

(And not mention that the whole thing's running slower than a dead dog)[/size]

Blunderer

04-21-2012 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dottel.net (Post 22492)
out of interest - are users of crediton.tel actually using telpages? to date, none of my customers used or cared to go to telpages. it's seeing their details in our directory and then indexed by google, bing, etc they've cared about.

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I don't suppose they are. I feature it, and mention it but, I don't actually promote it at present because I still have more businesses to add. Also, my aim is to get people saving http://crediton.tel on their mobiles and other devices - so that they don't have to go near Google, Bing, etc. for local services once they have found the site.

I'm hoping that group search will be available soon, so that users can search nearby towns for services not immediately available (keeping things as local as possible) but I always have, and always will provide a link to TelPages, and in making that recommendation - trust to the veracity of other .tel owners.[/size]

TELcp

04-21-2012 01:51 PM

We are also looking forward to seeing the Group Search feature in search box.

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TELcp

04-21-2012 06:21 PM

@Telnic,

Assuming tel pages shown below have been indexed on the same date, what would be the order in SERPs at telpages.com if the keyword "city hotel mycountry" is searched?

city.hotel.mycountry.tel
city.hotels.mycountry.tel
city.hotel.my-country.tel
city.hotels.my-country.tel
city-hotel-mycountry.tel
city-hotels-mycountry.tel
city-hotel-my-country.tel
city-hotels-my-country.tel
cityhotelmycountry.tel
cityhotelsmycountry.tel

Thanks in advance.

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P.S. Also assume that Titles, Headers, Keywords on all pages are identical.

Blunderer

04-21-2012 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blunderer (Post 22474)
Actually, it's taking five days. Re. crediton.tel

Musgrave Bickford Antiques have just become searchable through TelPages this evening - created 16th April (mid afternoon).

Dart Electrics - created 16th April (evening) still not showing.

It's a good job I don't send out invoices for telephone sales until the search is functioning.

[size]
Better make that SIX days :([/size]

mikeseaton

04-21-2012 06:55 PM

Musgrave Bickford Antiques shows up here OK.

Dart Electrics doesn't show - which means it hasn't yet been indexed by Google.

Mike Seaton

Blunderer

04-21-2012 07:42 PM

@mikeseaton,

The lights have gone out for both of the electricians I put on last weekend.

TELcp

04-24-2012 04:10 PM

@Telnic

http://www.telnic.org/forum/showpost...6&postcount=69
Any comment on above post would be very much appreciated.

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Aled	04-24-2012 04:30 PM

Hello TelCP,

I'm afraid I'm not in a position to comment on specific SERPS for Telpages.

Thanks,
Aled

Cees	04-24-2012 10:37 PM

Blunderer,
It may be worthwhile adding "electrician and electricians" in your keywords, when I search telpages Dart Electrics only show when I use "electric" in my search, however Tux does show.

Blunderer

04-25-2012 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cees (Post 22651)
Blunderer,
It may be worthwhile adding "electrician and electricians" in your keywords, when I search telpages Dart Electrics only show when I use "electric" in my search, however Tux does show.

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Cees, the words electrician and electricians are amongst the keywords for both Tux and Dart but TelPages does not find them.

It took seven days before it would even acknowledge that the folders existed.

Is anybody else experiencing excessive delays (over 8 days) in the discovery of new folders and keywords by TelPages?[/size]

TELcp

04-25-2012 02:58 PM

@Blunderer
we are testing how a hidden page is being indexed via a third party tel domain.

We created hideout.mytown.tel at 1600GMT on 18-April-2011.
This is to be indexed via demo.telcp.tel.
Not yet indexed.

Cheers!

Blunderer

04-25-2012 06:13 PM

Aled,

The other week you said that TelPages would take a few (4) days to index folders but its taking much longer.

Have I cocked something up, or are there leaves on the line?

Aled	04-25-2012 06:37 PM

Hello Blunderer,

Could you send me the full details please (folder, search term etc), and I'll take a look.

Thanks,
Aled

TELcp

04-27-2012 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aled (Post 22382)
TelCP - yes it will.

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We created hideout.mytown.tel at 1600GMT on 18-April-2011.
This is to be indexed via demo.telcp.tel.
Not yet indexed by telpages.com.
Any possibility to check this please?

Thank you.

++++[/size]

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Re: Tel Search box

by Telnic 2015-01-02, 12:07 pm

TELcp

04-30-2012 11:15 AM

@Aled

There is no sign of the following getting indexed by telpages.com.
Any reason why it is not happening, please?

Quote:

Originally Posted by TELcp (Post 23001)
We created hideout.mytown.tel at 1600GMT on 18-April-2011.
This is to be indexed via demo.telcp.tel.
Not yet indexed by telpages.com.
Any possibility to check this please?

Thank you.

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Thanks once again.

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Aled	04-30-2012 11:25 AM

We'll look into this TelCP.

Thanks,
Aled

Aled	04-30-2012 01:40 PM

TelCP,

It appears that the issue is that on demo.telcp.tel you have linked to www.hideout.mytown.tel rather than hideout.mytown.tel. You need to provide the GoTo link without the "www" for Telpages to be able to follow the path.

Thanks,
Aled

TELcp

04-30-2012 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aled (Post 23143)
TelCP,

It appears that the issue is that on demo.telcp.tel you have linked to www.hideout.mytown.tel rather than hideout.mytown.tel. You need to provide the GoTo link without the "www" for Telpages to be able to follow the path.

Thanks,
Aled

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Thank you very much.
We'll correct it accordingly.

B/Rgds[/size]

TELcp

05-11-2012 04:30 AM

Title indexing by telpages.com

@Aled

re: Title indexing by telpages.com

I have noticed that certain Titles of tel domains have not been indexed. Only their "tel domain name", instead of Title, has been Indexed. One such example is telnames.tel. It has been having the Title "Telnames Limited" for some time now. But telpages.com still displays only telnames.tel. Why telpages.com is not displaying the Title?

A clear explanation is appreciated for us to know how the indexing is done.

Thank you in advance.

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Aled	05-11-2012 10:08 AM

The title should show if it is there. We'll take a look as to why that isn't the case for some names.

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