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nice bump in the regs today thanks to yellow book usa 773 total regs today - many by yellow book usa for their customers. details here: http://dottel.net/daily-dot-tel-registrations#regs |
As you can see yellow book reg`d domains starting with a, b, c, d & e letters, waiting for the next step - f, g, h, j and so on... ) |
World wide online phonebook I've been pondering upon this matter for a while but yesterdays increase in registrations demands that more urgent consideration be given to it. There is no protocol for including reference to location when registering names, so the aspiration to produce a world wide online directory is severely inhibited. American YP registered athensroofing.tel yesterday but there is certainly more than one company with this name, world wide. We could continue to accept the first come - first served situation that exists but, what are we trying to achieve? Encouraging universal use of .tel is the best way to ensure that our .tels are found, and we earn money from them. Should we be agreeing that we should add a Country identifier to registered names e.g. athensroofingusa.tel; athensroofinguk.tel? We can't undo what is done but, do we need rules for the future, to give confidence to those that might be discouraged from registering such an extended name that they will not be disadvantaged? The problem also exists with geo names. Do owners have a duty to provide for links to all places with that name? Most European locations have counterparts in the "New World". Some of you have been talking about dial by name. How will that work without a protocol? |
Where is the press release that Yellowbook USA jumped on the wagon? That means that more and more YP services are integrating .tel. Which makes it easier for telnic to sell into other YP services. Making it easier to reach critical mass. |
Yes, but there's only one of each name! |
Blunderer I think this is why the loc record is so important. I could for example specify that I want athensroofing in scotland. Cant see people being keen on adding to the company name just because they were first to innovate. Geo domains Likewise there are many londons all over the world. It would be unfair to get the owner of london.tel to include information on all the other londons when they would have the work cut out providing a directory for london uk. .tel is a hard enough sell already with out imposing registration rules on the people who enter first. I know what you are saying but I cant see it happening in my opinion. |
I think Blunderer makes a really good point, do Telnic forsee a ".tel.uk" or ".tel.eu" etc. What is Telnics viewpoint please? |
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You're all 2 years late on this conversation of one name per ... Realizing this, Telnic added labels to the domain name. Now it works like email, with labels. Consider this: Only 1 Ben@yahoo.com So Ben and Ben and Ben and Ben have to do different things to register an email at yahoo Ben1@yahoo.com BenSmith@yahoo.com BenUK@yahoo.com BND@yahoo.com Only with .TEL the Label is added to increase discoverability (along with the directory keywords) Ben Ben.tel Ben Ben1.tel Ben BenSmith.tel Ben BenUK.tel Ben BND.tel The thing to keep in mind is that the Domain Name is a significant factor in TelPages and Search Results, so the .tel label and domain name are important if you're concerned with that: Ben Ben.tel Ben Ben1.tel Ben BenSmith.tel Ben BenUK.tel Ben BND.tel So, BND.tel is less discoverable based upon the primary variable, the domain name itself. Location in the name has nothing to do with it unless it's the search term being used by the visitor. AthensRoofing.tel or Athens-Roofing.tel will be discoverable in a search for 'Athens Roofing' in a Global Search, but using the Advanced Search, elements such as Location are easily discerned. Billions of combinations of .TEL addresses just as with email addresses ... No Worries at all ! added: GLOBAL has no man-made boundaries, this is the essence of .TEL and TelPages - One World, One Directory - Advanced Search takes care of the man-made concerns.[/size] |
I've been contemplating this for the last couple of years (TelPages v Yellow Pages) because the Yellow Page providers are individual entities, and even if they cooperated in producing some sort of indexing system which applied a geographic differentiation, it would be a messy beast. It seems to me that they should be pointing their customers at TelPages, as the only comprehensive, and keyword searchable resource (don't hold your breath!). At present, the collective view is that mass registration through Yellow Page providers will be the panacea but, without the ability to search the .tel database, to fine tune results by keyword, mass registration of names by one YP provider could inhibit registration of alternative names through other YPs. Then there's the imperative to populate .tels with full address information, accurate directory information, and genuine and appropriate keywords. |
YP Management With YP operations providing their customers with Tels, a number of questions arise... 1) who owns the domain? YP or their customer 2) who will manage the domain? YP or their customer So far, it seems YP is the owner and the manager. Perhaps YP will be giving ownership to the customer, but that takes control away from YP and gives the customer the opportunity to jump ship. Mark |
YP Content and Discoverability With regards to discovery, I believe that the original content should not be propagated by directory builders. Instead, simply add a link from your directory to the authentic tel domain. That way, there is no proliferation of old data, old addresses, extinct businesses and no long term management to maintain current information. Out-of-date data is the long standing problem with directories. Ideally, non-.tel directories and search engines should grab content only from the DNS via the tel domain as it would be the true originator of content, always giving real-time information. So, if you are creating a .tel directory with a generic domain name, the opportunity is to work with YP and its customers to provide real-time links to content. Mark |
YP, Telnic and Search Engines YP now presents an interesting opportunity for Telnic to further promote TEL to Google and the other search engines: single sources of authentic, original real-time content Search on any local business, product or service in Google and you will find countless sources of the same repetitive information mostly from "directories" that copy and replicate original content. These become out-of-date fast. If more SMB start using tel domains, whether on their own or via YP outfits, then more true content will be available that can be the true source for search engines. Telnic should be promoting this aspect of authentic content to search engines, bypassing myriad sources of old content and helping S/E provide better value. I know, it's too early for this, but should be important when critical mass is attained. Mark |
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These two points are exactly why I have taken the approach I have with Yellow Search (Still being populated.) ys.tel (YP1, TELS) + (YP2, TELS) + (YP3, TELS) ... (TELPAGES, TELS) While this looks like a separation (and it is a separation by ownership and directory as you've stated), at the same time it will ultimately become 1 (GLOCAL) total with Telnic as the winner both ways. The top half will be the "verified", and the bottom half the "wikipedia (including verified)" The "two directories in one" are what Yellow Search is about. 1 = TelPages, .TEL, Individual, Business, Wiki-style 2 - 9 = YellowPages, .TEL, Individual, Business, Verified-style The ULTIMATE Global/Local Directory (Verified and Wiki) Style - Yellow Search ... and this paramount, macro effort was all done in a .TEL (not those other extensions) ! The beginning of all beginnings ... .TEL ! :)[/size] |
@blunderer to your earlier point: When I go out and buy a .COM and monetize it or use it for whatever purpose, I don't need to worry that I bought goldcoins.com and I'm actually selling coins from Thailand or South Africa or whatever. My point being if you are smart and the first one to buy goldcoins.tel (I haven't checked to see if it's avail.) people will find you and call the number. Businesses are global and I can get an 800 number that redirects for a very small monthly fee to anywhere. If I want to explain on my .tel page that I'm in South Africa that's my prerogative. This scenario also creates value in the market place, since goldcoins.tel is only available once- there is competition and value in that name. If someone else wants to buy USgoldcoins.tel that is their right to do so as well.. My 2cents. disclaimer: I don't own goldcoins.tel or even know who owns it- it's just an example... |
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VERY well put. 50% of all Businesses are location sensitive and 50% are not location sensitive. To put such an OVERbearing weight to "Local" is silly in today's world. When the Yellow Pages Association changed to Local Search Association I laughed. Yellow is about Business, not location. Pages is about a Book historically, but still works well as Web Pages are still 100% pages, so search is an updated term. Changed Yellow to Local (???) and Pages to Search (ok) "Threw the Baby Out With The Bath Water" on that one when you throw out yellow ! Yellow Search ... THAT's the key ... BUSINESS That's GLOBAL, And LOCAL If Necessary. :)[/size] |
@aliencafe, You're correct on all points. |
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firstly nice to see so many posts from different members in one thread! good to know there's still a 'community' out there another nice bump today - 1414 regs.... details: http://dottel.net/daily-dot-tel-registrations#regs |
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Although there is no facility for adding a country identifier when registering a .tel domain, there is a facility for setting the domain country provided by Telnic within the CTH which can be read by directory building software routines. This Country field can be found in the CTH by going to Keywords then Business Address. The big problem with the CTH Country field is it is not a dropdown list - a request which has been made before in this forum. So a USA located domain could be entered as any of US, USA, US of A, America, United States, United States of America, and the software developer would have to allow for all these being the same country, plus of course many other countries which can be input in a text field in different ways. Please Telnic can we have this CTH Country field as a dropdown list a.s.a.p. to encourage directory builders? Thanks in anticipation. Mike Seaton[/size] |
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I agree with the need for standardization but what would the standard be? You can have full country name, ISO-2 code, ISO-3 code, non English spellings. Mark[/size] |
