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    Post by Telnic 2015-01-02, 3:16 pm

    TELcp07-24-2012 07:47 PM



    .tel Mail Box
     
    Hi to all,

    A new service to mask your email addresses on tel pages.

    Main site : www.telmailbox.com

    Sample Masked web link : www.telmailbox.tel - "Mail Box"

    How it works : How .tel Mail Box Works

    Cheers!

    supercyberheroes07-24-2012 10:41 PM



    Quote:


    Originally Posted by TELcp (Post 25117)
    Hi to all,

    A new service to mask your email addresses on tel pages.

    Main site : www.telmailbox.com

    Sample Masked web link : www.telmailbox.tel - "Mail Box"

    How it works : How .tel Mail Box Works

    Cheers!

    [size]
    Its like outlook email?

    regards
    http://ideal.tel
    http://supercyberheroes.tel[/size]

    TELcp07-25-2012 07:49 AM



    @Supercyberheroes

    Not like Outlook but you may configure your Outlook for the email address(s) you provide for .tel page(s).

    You may use your standard email address(s) for the .tel page, but not disclosed to visitors.

    Works on desktops & Smartphones.

    Cheers!

    Alex07-25-2012 04:06 PM



    TELcp,

    There are several complaints about your service at TelTalk.org.

    Perhaps you want to check it out.

    TELcp07-25-2012 05:26 PM



    @Alex

    Will have a look.

    Thanks.

    TELcp07-26-2012 10:07 AM



    The Registration process did have a bug, most probably occurred during encoding the script (our script is 100% encoded and Important entries to the database are encrypted).

    The bug has been cleared.

    The Registration Process has been tested by three very reliable forum members (2 from UK and 1 from USA) and found no issues.

    The forum member from USA did carry out various tests in the system including sending out email messages successfully. And there were no complains but few important suggestions to improve the usability.

    If there is any further issues, do please let us know. So that we will attend to it as soon as possible.

    For those who see the online email send out form in languages other than English, please let us know if there are any misspellings in your lingo.


    Cheers!

    TELcp07-26-2012 10:11 AM



    Our Sincere Thanks to those forum members who helped us to carry out tests from overseas.

    ++++

    Alex07-26-2012 12:34 PM



    I'm sorry, but the feedback doesn't look so good.

    TELcp07-26-2012 02:30 PM



    Attention all telnames.com registrants!

    As of now, there is no method to access control panel of telnames.com (https://manage.telnames.com) using OAuth services from Telnic Ltd. 
    Honestly speaking, we have never tried this.
    We shall, however, contact telnames.com directly to see if there is any possibility to do this.

    If not, we will have to find an alternative method to provide the services of telmailbox.com to the customers of telnames.com.
    It is not impossible to do such alternative arrangement through telmailbox.com. But takes time and the time factor is very important to us at present.

    Cheers!

    TELcp07-26-2012 03:35 PM



    Quote:


    Originally Posted by TELcp (Post 25143)
    we will have to find an alternative method

    [size]
    The only obstacle is that there is no way to verify the ownership of .tel domains registered at telnames.com.

    We verify the ownership of all domains managed under telmailbox.com (and also other TELcp based apps during the OAuth process).

    Any way, we'll try to find a best possible workaround.

    Cheers![/size]

    Mark Kolb (Kprobe)07-26-2012 03:57 PM



    Isn't the fact that there is a link on the TEL domain to telmailbox proof that the domain is owned? You know the referring domain name, you look up the domain in your database, grab the registered email and off you go. If a phony registrant creates an account with you for someone else's domain or that domain doesn't have a weblink to telmailbox, that is another verification method at sign up. Once the signup is verified you have all the information you need. Why do you need OA to verify ownership?
    Mark

    Alex07-26-2012 05:09 PM



    TELcp,

    What link users have to place on their .tel domains?

    With what the digits after the domain www.telmailbox.com/xxxxxxxx need to be filled?
    Where the specification for that can be found?

    TELcp07-26-2012 06:37 PM



    @Alex,

    The link with xxxxxxxx (8 alpha numeric) is an encrypted code for the .tel page url, and is auto generated against each page after populating the database (after OAuth process). And at the same time inserted to the the database.

    If you create one unique ID in telmailbox.com (such as www.telmailbox.com/adafda7a on telmailbox.tel), then you can manually place it on any .tel page on any .tel domain.

    But, when you receive the email, the adressee will see it as addressed to telmailbox.tel, because the link is supposed to be from there.


    Hope this is what you wanted to know.

    Thanks.

    ++++

    TELcp07-26-2012 06:46 PM



    Quote:


    Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe
    If a phony registrant creates an account with you for someone else's domain ....
    Mark

    [size]
    OA verification of the ownership (of the domain) does NOT let this happen.
    That is the reason OA is used for every domain you add to the database.

    ++++[/size]

    Mark Kolb (Kprobe)07-26-2012 06:51 PM



    @telcp My point is that you never need to use OA to validate that the email is legitimate because the referring site will always be a .tel domain that you match against the database. Add your mailbox link to a telnames domain or any domain for that matter, determine the refering site and match to your database. If the site is not in your database then the site has not registered. Simple as that. No need for OA as far as I can see.
    Mark

    Alex07-26-2012 07:04 PM



    Thank you for the fast answer.

    Sorry, I still don't understand:

    Quote:


    Originally Posted by TELcp (Post 25155)
    The link with xxxxxxxx (8 alpha numeric) is an encrypted code for the .tel page url, and is auto generated against each page after populating the database (after OAuth process). And at the same time inserted to the the database.

    [size]
    How the user of TelMailBox get knowledge about the 8 alpha numeric code, since it isn't published anywhere?

    (In the control panel no specification can be found for any domain!)

    Quote:
    [/size]


    Originally Posted by TELcp (Post 25155)
    If you create one unique ID in telmailbox.com (such as www.telmailbox.com/adafda7a on telmailbox.tel), then you can manually place it on any .tel page on any .tel domain.

    [size]
    Does the .tel domain owner create it himself with any letters / numbers he wants, since TelMailBox doesn’t provide the code?[/size]

    TELcp07-26-2012 07:10 PM



    @Mark,

    OA has got nothing to do with the validation of the email.

    OA is used only to verify the ownership (of the .tel domain) and populate the database with URLs of the .tel domain. That is the first step.

    After that only the .tel owner can create code and insert email addresses to database and at the same time post it on to the .tel page.

    If the first step (adding URLs to the database) is allowed without the verification of the domain, then anyone can insert any URL of any domain to the database. This invites phony registrants to sign up and abuse the system.

    So, the system needs a way to verify the ownership of the domain (.tel domain in the case of telmailbox.com) to stop anyone else using the URLs of a legitimate owner of a domain.

    If there is any other easy way to verify a .tel domain, we would have used that method.

    ++++
    P.S.

    The 8 character alphanumeric code is auto generated by the system.
    Not possible to insert it manually.

    TELcp07-26-2012 07:28 PM



    @Alex,

    8 alphanumeric characters represent the URL of the .tel page.
    It is the encrypted code of the .tel page (any coder/programmer will recognize it).

    In telmailbox.com, this code is auto generated by the system against the URLs inserted in the database. You have to be the legal owner of a .tel domain to insert URLs of a .tel domain.
    (i.e. A phony registrant cannot insert URLs of domains owned by others).

    First step is to create (auto populate) the database with .tel page URLs.
    After that only you can insert email addresses.

    This system works exactly on the principles of TELcp.


    Hope this info helps.

    Thanks.

    ++++

    Alex07-26-2012 07:37 PM



    So far, so good!

    But where the user will find the 8 alphanumeric code, since it is not provided from TelMailBox?

    As I wrote before:
    Quote:


    Originally Posted by Alex (Post 25158)
    In the control panel no specification can be found for any domain!


    Mark Kolb (Kprobe)07-26-2012 07:55 PM



    Quote:


    Originally Posted by TELcp (Post 25159)
    @Mark,

    So, the system needs a way to verify the ownership of the domain (.tel domain in the case of telmailbox.com) to stop anyone else using the URLs of a legitimate owner of a domain.

    [size]
    @telcp I've explained the method. The owner is the referring domain and only the owner can place a link to telmailbox. You can complicate it with OA and encrypted link for non Telnames domains but if I was writing this, neither OA nor the encrypted link would not be necessary. I give up. 

    Mark[/size]
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    .tel Mail Box Empty Re: .tel Mail Box

    Post by Telnic 2015-01-02, 3:16 pm

    TELcp07-26-2012 07:58 PM



    Quote:


    Originally Posted by Alex (Post 25161)
    So far, so good!
    But where the user will find the 8 alphanumeric code, since it is not provided from TelMailBox?
    As I wrote before:

    [size]
    1. You add domain to the databse (this process auto populates the database with .tel page Urls and at the same toime the code will be auto generated and inserted to the database.
    So, the code is provided automatically.

    2. When you insert an email address, the system will automatically select the code (from the database) for that particular .tel page.

    ++++[/size]

    TELcp07-26-2012 08:04 PM



    @Mark,

    I am sorry, you still don't understand it.
    You can start a similar service and prove that it can not be abused.

    And I strongly advise you NOT to do it without any method of verification of the ownership of the domain.

    Cheers!

    Alex07-26-2012 08:16 PM



    Quote:


    Originally Posted by TELcp (Post 25163)
    So, the code is provided automatically.

    [size]
    It's not enough that the code is in your database. You also have to tell the .tel domain owner what the code is (what isn't happening)!
    But since it is hidden for the user, he doesn't know it.

    Since the .tel domain owner doesn't know the 8 digit code, he can't insert it into his .tel domain and hence he can't use your service. I give up.[/size]

    TELcp07-26-2012 08:21 PM



    Quote:


    Originally Posted by Alex (Post 25165)
    It's not enough that the code is in your database. You also have to tell the .tel domain owner what the code is (what isn't happening)!
    But since it is hidden for the user, he doesn't know it.

    Since the .tel domain owner doesn't know the 8 digit code, he can't insert it into his .tel domain and hence he can't use your service. I give up.

    [size]
    Now I understand that it is difficult for you to imagine how the system works.
    You need to sign up, create account and see it for yourself.

    Thank you.

    ++++[/size]

    Alex07-26-2012 08:41 PM



    Quote:


    Originally Posted by TELcp (Post 25166)
    Now I understand that it is difficult for you to imagine how the system works.
    You need to sign up, create account and see it for yourself.

    Thank you.

    ++++

    [size]
    Okay, last try:

    I've opened an account and I have a question for you:

    Where I can find the 8 digit code?[/size]

    boracay.tel07-27-2012 12:46 AM



    Quote:


    Originally Posted by Alex (Post 25167)
    Okay, last try:
    Where I can find the 8 digit code?

    [size]
    its automatically added onto/into your .tel website. 
    but ONLY AFTER you select one of your subdomains for it to use

    telcp,
    I tried it. it works well enough.
    I'm sure you can polish it a little
    thank you for the service.

    ps the back button does not work once the email is sent.
    can we customise the labels, and or the interface? 
    to hide its a 3rd party service?[/size]

    boracay.tel07-27-2012 12:58 AM



    Quote:


    Originally Posted by TELcp (Post 25166)
    You need to sign up, create account and see it for yourself.

    Thank you.

    ++++

    [size]
    yep, thats what i did.
    and it was fairly straight forward.

    Great job. telnic should add this forms service into the CTH
    basically a simple FORMS integration service masquerading as an email service.
    whatever the case, its providing a much better integrated email service to newbies then the current MX boxes etc etc where next why how

    telcp, a suggestion...
    how about you automatically add some mail icons to the created mailbox text tag
    and using icons (text icons wingdings etc) taking your system a little bit further for forms...
    like this...

    ✍ Bookings: (fill in the form using your mobile)

    ☞ Directory: (fast search using your handset)

    ❔ FAQ's

    the default main template padlock icon is ok, feels safe. 
    just add some wingdings to make sense of things

    another option...
    *** USE the imageAds instead of contact items***[/size]

    Alex07-27-2012 01:17 AM



    Quote:


    Originally Posted by boracay.tel (Post 25168)
    its automatically added onto/into your .tel website.

    [size]
    Thank you very much!

    Now I see!

    I'm surprised about the automatic insertion (and would have never expected it - why I was searching on TelMailBox itself).
    That finally also explains why OAuth is needed!

    Problem solved!

    BTW the service itself is a great invention! And now I finally got it working![/size]

    boracay.tel07-27-2012 01:23 AM



    Quote:


    Originally Posted by TELcp (Post 25143)
    Attention all telnames.com registrants!

    We shall, however, contact telnames.com directly to see if there is any possibility to do this.

    [size]
    this is a ridiculous situation.
    I have family and friends with the telnames template, and they are newbies.
    the exact kind of person that requires an easy integrated email delivery solution.

    did you get a reply from telnames?[/size]

    Alex07-27-2012 01:34 AM



    There are still some technical issues:

    • In my control panel two entries for TelMailBox have been created (instead of only one).
    • In my control panel the description is called "Mail Box" correctly, but on my .tel domain appears a description of another contact entry instead.

    [size]

    But no problem:
    I will delete the automatic entries from TelMailBox.
    Since I finally know the 8 digit code, I can create the right link myself.[/size]

    boracay.tel07-27-2012 02:15 AM



    Quote:


    Originally Posted by Alex (Post 25173)
    I will delete the automatic entries from TelMailBox.
    Since I finally know the 8 digit code, I can create the right link myself.

    [size]
    why? 

    the whole idea that this is automated and takes care of things for newbies is great.
    ideally just needs to be integrated into the CTH. that won't happen, but mark and telcp are doing whats needed to give missing functionality via their own control panels

    advanced users might setup forwarding domains to mask the telmailbox.com link.
    is that what you wish to do?[/size]

    Alex07-27-2012 02:29 AM



    Quote:


    Originally Posted by boracay.tel (Post 25174)
    why?

    [size]
    Because the technical routine doesn't work error free:
    [/size]

    • The link was created twice in the control panel of my .tel domain!
    • The link has shown a different label of a complete different contact entry of my .tel domain (instead of "Mail Box").

    [size]

    I had to correct these automatic generated mistakes.

    Quote:
    [/size]


    Originally Posted by boracay.tel (Post 25174)
    advanced users might setup forwarding domains to mask the telmailbox.com link.
    is that what you wish to do?

    [size]
    No, I like everything like it is.

    I just have to deal with the teething troubles. (But it's not a big deal.)

    The bottom line is I like TelMailBox very much and it's very helpful![/size]

    dutchstreetdog07-27-2012 02:41 AM



    Mabey a stupid question but were can i use it for?
    Is it some kind of contact form instead of a emailadres?
    Can i use prefixed boxes for people to fill out?
    Can i use it for people to submit listing on my site?

    Mabey you can just explane the function for this new service ?
    I dont think i am the onley one that dosnt understand the use

    Alex07-27-2012 03:04 AM



    Dutchstreetdog,

    The big advantage of this service is that you don't have to publish your e-mail address for the public anymore (so no spammer will ever know it), but you are still reachable via e-mail (through the contact form of TelMailBox).

    That's the one and only (but for many people important) purpose!

    boracay.tel07-27-2012 05:37 AM



    Well, I use .mobi to get added functionality onto my .tels

    I particularly like the "feedback" forms and customised forms. Unfortunately the collected/emailed info must be manually responded to before adding into the .tel

    So, telcp has the basis for so much more than masked email. The oauth can automate forms data directly into your .tel on each subdomain

    dutchstreetdog07-27-2012 09:03 AM



    Quote:


    Originally Posted by Alex (Post 25177)
    Dutchstreetdog,

    The big advantage of this service is that you don't have to publish your e-mail address for the public anymore (so no spammer will ever know it), but you are still reachable via e-mail (through the contact form of TelMailBox).

    That's the one and only (but for many people important) purpose!

    [size]
    Okay thank you Alex !
    Shure is strange one developer wants to highlight 
    the email adresses, and the other one wants to hide them !
    I thought it was some kind of "contact form 7" that would bey a better idear !
    Anyway Thx again for the respons[/size]

    TELcp07-27-2012 09:44 AM



    Update Carried out
     
    UPDATE
    [size]

    Minor update carried out few minutes ago to improve user interface for Registered Users (.tel Owners).
    Please refresh page properly when you log in to .tel Owner area.

    Cheers!

    ++++[/size]

    TELcp07-27-2012 09:55 AM



    @Boracay,

    Thanks for your comments and suggestions.
    Some of them have been included in the last update.

    ++++

    @Alex

    Glad you got the hang of it.
    Some of the issues you experienced have been addressed in our last update.

    Re your remark:
    QUOTE:
    In my control panel the description is called "Mail Box" correctly, but on my .tel domain appears a description of another contact entry instead.
    UNQUOTE:

    It is not possible to get mixed up as you have mentioned unless you inserted the www.telmailbox.com/xxxxxxxx, manually through CTH or by other means, to the wrong .tel page.
    We are unable to simulate such error. However, we shall investigate further.

    Many thanks for your comments and postings on your own forum.

    ++++

    Cheers!

    TELcp07-27-2012 10:05 AM



    FAQ's
     
    We are in the process of preparing FAQs with the help of others who helped to carry out tests. If any forum member has FAQs that can help the visitors and the .tel Owner to understand this system better, please either post here or send via pm.

    Thanks.

    supercyberheroes07-27-2012 05:00 PM



    Quote:


    Originally Posted by dutchstreetdog (Post 25176)
    Mabey a stupid question but were can i use it for?
    Is it some kind of contact form instead of a emailadres?
    Can i use prefixed boxes for people to fill out?
    Can i use it for people to submit listing on my site?

    Mabey you can just explane the function for this new service ?
    I dont think i am the onley one that dosnt understand the use

    [size]
    That was not stupid question in fact was good one, I was thinking to ask the same.

    Regards
    http://ideal.tel
    http://supercyberheroes.tel[/size]
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    .tel Mail Box Empty Re: .tel Mail Box

    Post by Telnic 2015-01-02, 3:16 pm

    supercyberheroes07-27-2012 05:42 PM



    Quote:


    Originally Posted by Alex (Post 25177)
    Dutchstreetdog,

    The big advantage of this service is that you don't have to publish your e-mail address for the public anymore (so no spammer will ever know it), but you are still reachable via e-mail (through the contact form of TelMailBox).

    That's the one and only (but for many people important) purpose!

    [size]
    Well, here we got a contradiction, my wife and kids got personal .tel it good for them to hide their emails, but for me not, I want people to be aware of my business, even if I risk spam,

    Mark and Telcp are doing good job so people chose. both idea are good.

    I was thinking was some thinking when Dutchstreetdog, asked these question:

    Is it some kind of contact form instead of a emailadres?
    Can i use prefixed boxes for people to fill out?
    Can i use it for people to submit listing on my site?

    If we got positive answers for those questions it will help us to avoid build sister site .co or .com if we can have in the CTH or tool of an application form that people can fill all the information to be publish in our site, we could add payment services and then we do not need sister site.

    Regards
    http://ideal.tel
    http://supercyberheroes.tel[/size]

    Alex07-27-2012 06:59 PM



    Quote:


    Originally Posted by TELcp (Post 25185)
    Many thanks for your comments and postings on your own forum.

    [size]
    You're welcome!

    Your service got a lot of attention there - and a lot of good feedback, too!

    No doubt your service is really wanted by .tel domain owners![/size]

    Alex07-27-2012 07:04 PM



    Quote:


    Originally Posted by supercyberheroes (Post 25191)
    Can i use prefixed boxes for people to fill out?
    Can i use it for people to submit listing on my site?

    If we got positive answers for those questions it will help us to avoid build sister site .co or .com if we can have in the CTH or tool of an application form that people can fill all the information to be publish in our site, we could add payment services and then we do not need sister site.

    [size]
    Agreed, that would be very beneficial!

    If .tel would become more popular, somebody would develop these kinds of services for .tel in the future for sure, too!

    So far I see only Mark and TELcp developing such enhancements, but perhaps more parties would join, especially in the case .tel would be widespread one day.[/size]

    dutchstreetdog07-27-2012 08:43 PM



    Quote:


    Originally Posted by supercyberheroes (Post 25190)
    That was not stupid question in fact was good one, I was thinking to ask the same.

    Regards
    http://ideal.tel
    http://supercyberheroes.tel

    [size]
    Okay i am happy that you agree with mi
    And also happy with The perfect awnser from Alex[/size]

    TELcp07-29-2012 07:32 AM



    Second Update
     
    Another Update has been carried out about 12 hours ago (This time a security update).
    All telmailbox registrants were informed by email.
    Please act according to our message in the email.

    Thank you.

    ++++

    TELcp07-29-2012 08:21 AM



    Quote:


    Originally Posted by supercyberheroes (Post 25191)
    Well, here we got a contradiction, my wife and kids got personal .tel it good for them to hide their emails,

    [size]
    Absolutely right.
    Majority of the individuals would like to hide their personal email identities.
    Very few may choose to advertise their personal information.

    Quote:
    [/size]


    but for me not, I want people to be aware of my business, even if I risk spam,

    [size]
    Yes, people in the business world must provide a way for electronic correspondence.
    Organizations promoting/marketing goods & services, after sales services, emergency services etc should provide such methods.
    But, again most of these people still do not publish their email address.
    Instead they provide an online contact form in their websites.
    These contact forms often do have a Captcha verification to avoid spam robots.

    Hope this helps.


    Cheers!
    ++++[/size]

    TELcp07-29-2012 08:35 AM




    In general, to whom it may concern



    Coming back to the .tel...
    The idea of the dot tel is to provide an easy & cheaper alternative method to publish contact information, rather than spending lot of money on a traditional website.

    It is the .tel Owner's option/wish either to publish the email address or hide it.
    The contact form provided by telmailbox.com clearly indicates the addressee's .tel page name (the URL of the .tel page which ownership has been verified by the .tel Owner) to the sender. So, he/she knows where the message will be heading to.

    By providing this indication of the .tel page URL on top of the contact form (We know it is very important and the right of the sender to know exactly whether he/she uses the correct contact form) we have given the freedom for the .tel page owner to publish his/her .tel page's unique email ID (similar to www.telmailbox.com/xxxxxxxx) anywhere else other than on a .tel page. 

    Many registrants (smarter .tel owners) at telmailbox.com have already started doing this.

    We would have not been able to give this freedom to the .tel page owner if we did not use OAuth to verify the ownership of the .tel domain. If we did not do that, then there is no way to indicate the URL of the tel page. So, people will abuse the system to mislead the senders of email messages using our online contact form.

    There are lot of technical stuff involved in the .tel Mail Box and they may be beyond everybody's imagination. However, we suggest you to create an account at telmailbox.com and see it for yourself before jump into conclusions. Because. there is no point in discussing this without having any first hand experience at telmailbox.

    .tel Mail Box may not be 100% perfect. But we believe it is some kind of a relief for those who worry about publishing their email addresses online.

    For your information, we do follow certain guidelines very strictly when planning a .tel project.
    We want to share it with you today.

    We ask ourselves whether we satisfy the following conditions.

    1) The goal of the project (Whether we can provide a unique .tel technology based project as we do not want to imitate an existing project/service).
    2) To provide a service for the .tel domain owner.
    3) To provide the right information to the Visitors to a .tel page (A visitor has to rely on the information displayed. Hence we need to make sure, the best possible way we can, that the genuineness of the content is maintained)
    4) To promote the .tel domain and it's unique technology. (without this, the project goes nowhere).
    5) To gain a reasonable profit directly or indirectly, either short term or long term.



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    TELcp07-31-2012 03:09 PM



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    www.telmailbox.com is now provides with "Frequently Asked Questions" at FAQs

    Cheers!

    Alex07-31-2012 04:19 PM



    TELcp,

    Since you are not a member at TelTalk.org yet, I just would like to ask you clicking the first link on TelMailBox.tel.

    Perhaps you can solve this problem.

    Thank you!
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